what improvements will the 360 version have

who cares if movies or games are bigger. dont you people like both? as long as video game sales are good who cares? its not like were going to see the video game market die soon. same thing goes for the movie industry. the music industry has to however adapt to the new ways of music. no one really buys cd's anymore but screw all that im worried that future VF games will have to be imported if sega doesnt start offering some type of online feature like the ones we mentioned.

 

How involved is VFDC with Sega or vice versa? cuz I know(think) that Sega has sponsored VFDC for something with VF5.

Does Sega VF team have some kind of "suggestion box"? I read someone post somethinig about giving ideas to sega or something like thato.0

 

i hate to admit it but sega is going to do what they want to do. chances are nothing new will happen. especially for the PS3 version of VF5. sega has enough people working on their staff to make educated decisions. sega knew alot of people wanted VF5 online. there not stupid. im glad sega stuck to there guns and didnt make VF5 online but how lazy can you be sega. at least offer VF players some sort of way to meet other VF players online.


hello sega arcades arent doing so well out of asia. dont tell me sega is just using VF5 on home consoles to advertise there arcades. are you going to tell me sega didnt make any money off of sales of VF5 in asia and the rest of the world. lets think about this even if VF5 didnt sell well for PS3 does anyone know how many copies of VF5 sega sold worldwide? i guarantee you sega made a decent amount of money selling VF5 at 59.99 for each game.

so we know sega knew that people wanted VF5 online. all you have to do is read interviews. so what makes any of you think that sega will add some sort of online component because of your feedback. sorry but sega isnt going to care about feedback unless its from its VF fans in japan and asia. sorry no fear but sega already knew that VF fans wanted VF5 to have an online component but they still didnt do anything about it. so whats the point. its just a waste of time to give sega a suggestion.

it just bothers me that almost all games for PS3 and 360 offer some type of online component. damnit we dont have arcades here sega find a simple way for other PS3 and 360 owners to find and play each other. it cant be that hard and i guarantee it will help with sales. quest mode shouldve been the beginning of online match making. you see your someone playing and you send him a message which would probably go like this i got feva and the only prescription is more VF. just to see all the people online that are playing VF5 and set up matches with your console wouldve been the ultimate. for me at least.

 

Actually, video games for about the last 5 years have made more money than movies.

 

i believe it. its not just about games. nintendo, sony, and microsoft are trying to make a good chunk of its profits on game consoles. just think how much money people spent worlwide on the last gen consoles even up in till now, especially with the stellar sales of the PS2 last holiday season. almost every five years a the new game systems are announced and people go nuts. youd be lucky to get a new game console wihin the first couple months of its release.

think about it game consoles are starting to cost up too 600.00 bucks. game consoles come with so many diffrent accessories now its insane. all kinds of diffrent controllers, console skins, HD drives etc. theres alot more to the video game industry than just video games.

 

LAWL. Console companies (save Nintendo) actually LOSE money on the systems they manufacture. Sony is losing a few hundred dollars on each PS3 system they make, and Microsoft's still a bit of a ways off from breaking even on the X360 systems. Hell, Microsoft's Xbox division has been CONSTANTLY operating at a loss since it started.

Also, I can pretty much guarantee that the total amount of all next-gen consoles sold worldwide is considerably less than the number of people who went to see Pirates of the Carribean this weekend. I have yet to hear of a game that has managed to pull in a $400 million worldwide gross within a span of four days. The sheer amount of money generated from a Hollywood blockbuster is equal to the grosses of several top-selling game titles put together. Think about that.

 

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Mainstream press quoting a lie doesnt make it any less a lie.

I know those headlines and bullet points all too well, they have NEVER been correct and wont be for quite a while still.

The 10 billion dollar quoted is the size of the ENTIRE videogame industry in the US and it is MARGINALLY bigger then US Box Office.

See thats where it all falls apart.
In the game industry quote the price of hardware is calculated as well while the Hollywood quote only factors in Cinema ticket revenue.
After a movie had its run in theatres we get the DVD, rentals, pay per view and then general TV showings oh and irony of ironies we get the Videogame as well.

Box office is just a start for movies, for games the sales are IT.
Licensing comes nowhere near the levels Hollywood enjoys(how many videogames get their own fast food deal?) and again hardware is factored into the 10 billion as well.

If you start adding up the income Hollywood generates from movies excluding even the licensing deals and the sales(hahahaha) of DVD players the figure comes closer to 40 billion dollars for the US.

Face it dude, we are shrimps in a sea of sharks yet for some reason we delude ourselves and take pleasure in thinking we are the big fish in a little pond.

 

i know that microsoft, sony are investing alot of money right now but its called an investment. think about how much it cost sony to first start producing PS2 systems. well i think its paying off now dont you? i guarantee sony made a decent amount of money this last holiday season due to PS2 sales. this does help with the loss sony is taking investing in the PS3.

as for microsoft, i think they can throw a little money around. there a pretty big company and there still pretty new to the console wars. im pretty sure microsoft is still learning how to make a successful console. this is only microsofts second going after all. so maybe the movie industry is bigger than the video game industry but that doesnt mean the gaming industry is shrimps in a sea of sharks. im pretty sure the gaming industry isnt so small that no one notices. alot of people play video games nowadays and although it may not be as big as the movie industry its still right up there.

 

I'd be surprised if Sony ever makes a profit from the sole sale of a PS3.

Halo 2 (for Xbox) sold 2.4 million copies and earned up to US$125 million in its first 24 hours on store shelves, thus out-grossing the film Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest as highest grossing release in entertainment history. Of course since then Spider Man 3 and Pirates 3 have both outgrossed those dramatically, but the budgest and marketing for those movies well exceeded Halo 2, with $250-300 million each in production costs alone. I just don't see how anyone can call gaming a niche market at this point even if the movie industry is bigger.

In the game industry quote the price of hardware is calculated as well...
In that case profits from the Playstation 2 and X-box era would be negative concerning console sales. And the money Sony loses on each PS3 sale isn't small either.

...how many videogames get their own fast food deal?
There is a difference between licensing and marketing. Movie companies PAY for advertising at fast food chains. It's not the other way around....

Face it dude, we are shrimps in a sea of sharks yet for some reason we delude ourselves and take pleasure in thinking we are the big fish in a little pond.
Again this is wrong on all accounts. The movie industry, nor the videogame industry, have dominance over each other. They are both massively profitable, and equally competetive entertainment industries.

...sales of DVD players the figure comes closer to 40 billion dollars for the US.
DVD players are not part of the movie industry, they are part of the consumer electronics industry. Are CD players and I-pods part of the music industry? No they aren't. Also isn't the highest selling DVD player....the Playstation 2?

 

Think in terms of number of potential sales, gaming really only appeals to one of the movie industries demographics, (Not including bullshit Barbie games).

So the number of people to target is far smaller, and games players are then further subdivided depending on their taste in genre so the target becomes even smaller.

Depends how you see it really, in terms of revenue I guess the Aircraft Carrier market is massive, but in terms of number of sales it's a niche.

 

thank you EmpNovA. it might take a couple of years for sony to see a profit from their PS3 console. like i said its an investment. if sony does have some of the success with the PS3 that they had with the PS2 i can almost guarantee that sony will at least made some sort of profit. these consoles are still so new. give sony and microsoft 3 to 4 years from now and i guarantee you they wont be losing as much money.

i cant say much for nintendo. i dont know. the wii is selling so well right now its insane but i will say this, most of the games on the wii dont have any substance. most of the games on wii so far are gimmicky. im sorry but besides zelda i have no reason to want to play a wii until smash brothers brawl is released. i have a bad feelling if game developers in the next couple of years dont make wii games with any substance, that nintendo could be in trouble again.

alot of people bought wiis because their so cheap but what happens when the wireless remote gimmick runs out. i have a bad feeling people will get bored with the wii in about a year or two. yea its cheap but the games feel the same way. i also see only a couple of wii games worth buying. casual gamers will get tired of the wii. the wii is one of the new electronic fads to me right now.

what happens when the casual gamer gets bored with the wii. then its up to the people who love video games to keep the wii sales going. im sorry but its not always about graphics. some of these next gen games are all about the graphics and no substance. the wii on the other hand to me so far seems gimmicky. i have alot of friends that have wiis and they dont even get played. yea you can download old games but cant you do that on the other two consoles?

sorry but i think in the long run the wii will be just like the gamecube in two years. that sucks cause i am a nintendo fan. its like a gamecube with a wireless remote. only the games are so damn gimmicky and shallow. ill wait for smash brothers brawl before i get a wii. the wii has only a handful of games coming out that i would even consider buying. not even maybe just two or three games.

when it comes down to the entertainment industry video games are a big deal. video games are just for entertainment unlike the air craft carrier market. people do need to use planes. they dont however need to spend money on anything related to video games. people choose to spend money on the video game market for entertainment purposes.

 

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i know garbage. i get it smart guy i just though it was a stupid analogy when were comparing the movie industry with the gaming industry smart ass. these are two markets that are strictly entertainment. i think its crazy how big video games are now. i remember having an intellivision,commodore 64,atari 2600 as a kid and even when i got my first nintendo never did i think video games would be so big. never did i think that this form of entertainment would become so big. alot of homes have game consoles in them now. its insane.

its pretty cool for me though because ive always been into video games ever since i was a kid. its like ive grown up with video games almost like its a part of my life now. what am i saying video games are a part of my life. alot of us probably grew up with parent or guardian holding one hand and a controller in the other. i tell my wife all the time. im not going to stop gaming till i take a dirt nap. i dont get to play games as much as i want too but whenever i can i will.

 

I used it as a reference to make a point about one similar aspect of the two markets.

You pick up on this, and imply that it's not a valid point because of a completely different aspect of the two markets.

Then you get pissed because I tell you why I made the point in the first place.

 

STOP IT GUYS~!!! WERE ALL FRIENDS~!!! =D

MOVIES AND VIDEOGAMES BOTH SUCK NOWADAYS~!

except vf!

 

I'm not arguing, just trying to explain what I meant.

Just that the guy says 'I just thought it was a stupid analogy'

but doesn't fully comprehend the context or the point it was connected to.

 

So the millions McDonalds spent to acquire the Shrek 3 license for toys and cups were all paid by Dreamworks instead. Wow, fascinating! Now I wonder why EA paid $100 million for the license to make Harry Potter movie games when they could have just asked Warner to pay for the costs of assets and development instead, because certainly they'd be willing to pay for that PROMOTION, amirite?

And yes, CD players and ipods are part of the music industry. iPods have forever changed the music industry landscape. If the iPod wasn't important, then would iTunes be as successful as it is, and why are music companies scrambling to figure out a ways into the digital download market?

Also, with all the DVD players out on the market, what percentage of the units being bought are PS2s? A small fraction. And the amount of people who actually use a PS2 primarily for DVD watching is pretty laughable. Almost everyone who has a PS2 also has a separate DVD unit for actual movie-watching purposes.

Please read this. This is from the ESA. Yes, it's from 2005, but things haven't changed THAT much since then.

There is far, far more to these numbers than what industry PR feeds potential investors through news outlets.

Of course nobody wants to admit when they're wrong ON THE INTERNET because they lose e-penis points, so I look forward to reading continued delusions of insider knowledge from people who have never spoken to industry figures in their life

 

You seem to be confusing turnover with profit.
In the totals if Sony sells 1 million PS3´s at 600$ it will be counted as 600 million dollars in turnover and is counted as 600 million dollars towards that 11 billion dollars the videogame industry makes in the US(more or less last year), it doesnt matter if it cost Sony 800 million dollar to get that 600 million dollar, the total for the videogame industry will be counted as 600 million dollars since that is what they sold for.
It cant negatively impact turnover because profit and loss is not calculated in the total national turnover figures.

Secondly the fast food chains pay millions and millions for big movie deals because those lil crap toys they include with the happy meals and stuff DRAW IN CUSTOMERS, yes up to a certain extent its symbiotic but still its the fast food chains that pay up.

Last I somewhat agree, thing is off course including hardware sales to the videogame side twists the size of the industry unfairly.
That what you play and where the profit is made that what you actually want and which supports the companies make it, you know those things we call GAMES generate far less income then it appears at first since the figures are screwed because hey there is 600$ hardware in there.
The actual size of the pie which has to support production of the games is far smaller then the 11 billion we are looking at.

 

A big QFT

 

Yeah in all seriousness guys, I know how this can be settled.

With Warners Bros making Virtua Fighter the movie with Jackie Chan as Akira and Chris Tucker as Jeffrey