What Changes You See Happening, In VF5R?

Yes it was always /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif until VF4. All throws were also random buttons in VF1 and 2 (for example Kage's TFT was only /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif and his /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif throw was activated by pressing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif). It was only until VF3 that they made /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif the universal throw command - but even then Akira's stun palm didn't use the throw buttons.

 

I swear it was p+g in VF2.

Kages TFT was just 4p?! I don't know what's happening any more /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

Edit: Maybe it's my memory acting up with SPoD, VF2 and Fighters Megamix were too long ago.

 

Yes it was a mess. Giant Swing was HCF/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, frankensteiner was /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif (WTF) and his body slam was only /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif. It was a mess really. Thank god for VF3's throw system.

 

Is there any kind of reasoning for this? Do you think the listed moves are too powerful?

I think Goh needs two things:

1) a semi-circular mid that knocks down and can be used for oki on recovery roll. It could be like Akira's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, Lau's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or any other semi-circular mids used for oki.

2) a third low throw direction that does 45pts of damage.

 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I swear it was p+g in VF2. </div></div>

Nopers /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif It was P+K. As far as the input goes, while the official movelists indicated a /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif|/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif motion from the RBC counted your down and therefore simply hitting /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+P was enough to finish the SPoD.

The beauty of the command throws not all having the P+G standard was the option select available in VF2. Sarah's (and Wolf's) f+P come to mind as being remarkable tools. Elbow or a Clothesline, ftw.

 

Nopers /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif It was P+K. As far as the input goes, while the official movelists indicated a /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif|/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif motion from the RBC counted your down and therefore simply hitting /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+P was enough to finish the SPoD.

The beauty of the command throws not all having the P+G standard was the option select available in VF2. Sarah's (and Wolf's) f+P come to mind as being remarkable tools. Elbow or a Clothesline, ftw.</div></div> Thanks for clearing that up. I guess we were both right then. I knew that's how the official command was wrote but I didn't realise that basically /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif worked without the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif. That'll make it easier to SPoD on VF3 now then. Cheers!

I still think VF2's throws were messed up though - I think it's far better to have /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif for all throws. Makes far more sense and it will never throw when you wanted to attack (and vice-versa). Plus you seemed like you had to be up their arse for it to register a throw on VF 1 and 2. The grab animations from VF3 onwards are far better. This is the main reason I find VF 10th Anniversary too weird to play.

 

Well, my hope is they slow down jabs... if the current frames disadvantage stays, slow jabbers don't get shit.

As for /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, a completely safe combo starter that hit mid for big damage on MC, and you can fuzzy with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif? Um... wtf?

Of course this won't happen, so I don't see the point of analyzing one's hopes for the future releases. Hell, the idea of "What changes you see happening in VFR" is retarded, because what do have to go on? Less than a minute of a trailer... this speculation is just as retarded as "OMG WEAPONS IN THE GAME?! BROKEN!" (and yes I took part in it)

We've got nothing to go on other than our own biases.

 

I listed all my thoughts on what should be done for VF 5 R on the top of page 23 on the original forum. Basically I wanted all options and items from previous VF games. If you don't think that this can happen then look at the amount of options they were able to jam into street fighter alpha 3 for the PSP.

What I want to know is what kind of options were available in past games like VF had this and VF2 had so on and so forth. Any knowledge on this would be greatly appreciated.

 

Yeah this is what I was thinking earlier but I couldn't put it into words. I felt that SDE max damage combos were easier in 4 too.

 

That being said, Jeffs front back breaker needs
to do more damage.

 

SC that doesn't whiff on MC isn't unreasonable.

 

Good to hear you have a high opinion of your users. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

 

I'd love me a Jeffry with a low punch cut or elbow sebaki. Don't ask why, I just think it would be grand.

 

Myke makes right.

 

A Wolf player would defend the Giant Swing damage. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif I'll rephrase it "Tone down the Max Input Giant Swing damage". It wastes far too much and means that he can land any other throw 90% of the time as people will try to make sure they throw escape that bastard. I find using the swing very underhand and don't feel I deserve the win whenever I land it on someone (even if I use it to comeback in a fight I'm losing - which is often the case). If Wolf had to have a super high damage throw, why does it also have to throw them for 4 miles over low walls, into high walls to guarantee pounces or for easy ring outs from close to the middle of the ring.

Giant Swing = Rank Smelling.

Plus, it's a comedy wrestling move blown out of proportion. It's not even cool looking like his other throws.

 

Giant Swing does 80 damage, I think it goes in line with Wolf being the strongest throw character.

I don't mind the damage at all really. And there are several characters who have throws that do 70 damage, not that far behind. And you know, it isn't illegal to escape more then one throw direction.

 

actually it does 100 damage if they are near walls or don't land perfectly. It's the max input one that makes it stink.

Most players can only input 2 throw escapes consistently. And one of them HAS to be /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif, meaning he is virtually guaranteed the mix up of other damaging throws (F5, turbo drop, jackhammer etc).

 

Sure, but it's effectively 80 since you CAN tech roll and you should do it consistently. I don't count walls since then you have to start taking walls into account with every other character as well.