Virtua Fighter 6

You know what my favorite part of this statement is. The part about winning a major. All the players that are trolling this page have been to more than one VF majors, placed well, won streamed FT10, and have won many local tourneys. @Rome where did you place at sega cup europe again? LOL

The reason players are trolling this thread is cause you guys might as well rename this thread to the "How do we make VF6 more like SF or Tekken". The ideas you guys have been proposed is nothing a true VF fan wants or cares about.

You guys really want to know what VF6 needs. It's not Ex moves, it's not 55 characters, it's not meters, or story mode. It needs players. Players that will sit down and learn and appreciate the game that's already in front of them. Most of the FGC are just flavor of the month players. All do is go to eventhubs or SRK look at who's top tier, ex copy whatever they find on the internet, and just jump on the next bandwagon that's out. I have a news flash for you VF6 is not coming for at least 3 or 4 years. So how about you put down your keyboard and pick up your joystick and learn the game that you have.

 

I'm relatively new here myself. Joined near the end of October of 2014 and even I agree that most of the suggestions in this thread are making me ~


The ignorant postings are honestly from the people making suggestions who don't even really grasp the game design behind Virtua Fighter. And they aren't really making compelling arguments on why their suggestions would help the game because they don't understand it enough.

You think we need EX moves? Ok. Why?

You think we need 40 characters? Ok. Why?

Provide some compelling arguments on how it will actually improve the game design because I'm not seeing any outside of "just because" and that's really not enough nor is it a compelling argument.

All I really want from VF6 is for Sega to bother marketing it in the west if they do decide to give it to us. And to also undo the Vanessa skin bleaching.

 

Or Wolf who is spamming BHs
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True story

 

to be fair i backed out on ex moves and 55 chars are dumb

 

lol, "u guys" again. what a arrogant mofo
read my posts and tell me where i was suggesting anything of this bullcrap. u guy should work on ur attitude. and u arent trolling, u are just really braindead.

no one cares if someone suggests something stupid cos its anyway pointless. its what scrubs think and thats their right and for sure not ignorant. only really stupid people would interprete this as ignorant.

and also it really doesnt matter what places i did in vf @shinymofo , u are the one with the arrogant mofo attitude who disses everyone who just simply is no competitive player. btw, its nice that u already played majors. but i told u to win one first, and even then u should just stfu and let the users post their shit

what a fraud XD i'm out here, too much arrogance.

edit: meh, is'nt there a option to delete the acc? @admin pls delete my acc asap. i'm serious about this.

 

What have I done.

 

I'm not exactly sure what's unreasonable about wanting legitimate discussion here rather than random suggestions from people who don't understand the game design of VF. I also don't see the problem in calling people out for doing nothing but making random suggestions that hold little merit.

All Shiny did was basically criticize posters for their lack of knowledge about VF's design as they try to suggest gameplay changes, in a game they don't even really understand. Your stance on this is basically "criticism shouldn't be allowed". Do you honestly believe that? And I think you take offense to the word "ignorant" more than you should. Everyone is ignorant before they actually learn shit about a particular topic. Chill.

 

Cherry picking posts and attacking the whole thread and all in it crap willy-nilly?
- While some posts remain largely uncommented, bleh.

I am sorry but i can't help but feel a bit iffy when responses bundle together everyone and cry tekken/doa grfx whore'ing.

I do not feel at all influenced by some game i haven't played since PS1 was a thing,
what are the stupid ideas, be more detailed instead of just passive-agressively dish out all-encompassing insults? =/

These are just ideas that most probably won't magically even happening if VF6 comes out
- but speculation and talking about subjects might not be a really odd thing to do in a forum,
in a thread, in a fitting sub-forum and place for it?

Say one might even be as daring as to say forums are meant for this very purpouse!


Attempt at repost since backtracking is very hard:

1. Give more offline possibilites:

Quest mode back, this is just becasue the offline, single playing content in Kumite mode and the one in VF4Evo/VF5 was actually a fun way to practice the game outside of dojo mode.

Tournament Mode: This would be about setting up tournament brackets in game, assign players and 1p/2p ports (make them switchable before the next bracket fight for whatever reason) Think of it like challonge brackets in the game.
I fully believe this would be a use to setting up the offline tournaments we have now and then, right?

2. More online possibilites:

The idea here is for the same tournament mode, add players from your friends-list to brackets, set a proposed date. the framework would send out invites to the added players, they would get a "Yes/No" message to reply to and agree of the tournament date, and the brackets would adjust accordingly.

Also a (crazy?) idea for an Online Dojo, you could be two players helping under some dojo like free mode, all the dirty framestats and movelists available. this way players could help show stuff and share knowledge.

3. Training modes:

Here we would have the good ol' fashioned Dojo (Can someone think of any nice additions? to what it is in FS?)

Also a challenges mode, this would be the stuff like "Win the fights with 3 EDC, without doing this, only using this.. less health and so on)

Survival mode here would simply be what it used to mean in some other older titles, Just an endless stream of random customized opponents (like Kumite mode in VF4) where you take one after another until you yield and cry like a baby of defeat, and get to know how many you beat without loosing.

4. Information/Stats;

I totally would like to see more stats, for how you've played yourself - a bit like in VF4 vanilla and Evo. Sometimes just realising that wtf, i fail my highs and i overuse it like fuck can be a good thing, when you don't have hatemail to tell you likewise to rely on.

I also would fine in game Player Profiles to be nice, you could see your friends profiles or search up others, you would see their most used chars (by percentage) and also win/loose ratio and percentage (instead of the annoying "Battle Points" which are actually the same only forcing you to use and count by division right?)
Player quotes could be fun to have too, aswell as a shot of your prefered customization (this IS visual fluff, but it would not get in the way of core gameplay)

You would also have the replays system, see your friends latest fights or your own.

5. Moar options:

Most importantly i'd like intro-scenes opt-out (you could set them off to save time loading the damned game)
Also choose if you want auto-selection of your character and customization for entering online or other modes - this would save time for those that do not change often anyways.

Save button configs, name them, have them be selected in character select. If you have friends or player coming in often and need to set up their sticks or pads a certain way, just have it saved.

Actually any setting that could save timewaste would be a big yes to me.
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OK. This is now winning for the stupidest post in here.

"no one cares if someone suggests something stupid cos its anyway pointless. its what scrubs think and thats their right and for sure not ignorant. only really stupid people would interprete this as ignorant."

So nobody cares? Then why post? Listen lets break down what a scrub is. A player that is not knowledgeable about the game. You know.....The very definition of ignorance. I didn't want to call them scrubs cause they're new. @BLACKSTAR already said what I was going to say so I will just leave it at that.

"and also it really doesn't matter what places i did in vf @shinymofo , u are the one with the arrogant mofo attitude who disses everyone who just simply is no competitive player. btw, its nice that u already played majors. but i told u to win one first, and even then u should just stfu and let the users post their shit"

Who the hell are you? Beside some new guy that made 4 post on VFDC. You pull out the "We are just scrub and lets play nice" card and then call players out. I'm not even asking you go to a majors. I just asking you to play online and learn the game. Since you are all about calling players out now how about you get on @Unicorn stream and show us how great you are? I mean really? The difference between me and you is VF players know who I am and can watch my matches on youtube. My wins and loses. What have you done in the VF community besides getting butthurt on the VF6 thread?

 

*Vorty resurrects account

How on earth is this thread still alive?!

One of the major problems holding VF back is actually its name. It sounds too clinical.

And yes, marketing and presentation should definately be a little more flashy. Including opening and ending cutscenes for the various characters and give those backstories some bones is a good start. Of course Jeffry and his devil shark is always going to stick out like a sore thumb but whatevs.

*Vorty returns to the grave

Voice from afterlife: New Member? I'm as new as a freshly deceased octogenarian.

 

Ok, so this is my attempt at getting this thread back on track:

Suggestions for VF6 if Sega every does decide to make a console version:

- Destroy the Lazy TE system as quickly as possible. Bring back the Multi TE. I know it was a huge hurdle for new players to deal with (literally took me forever just to input 3 throws), and it made some characters throw game completely non-existent (Jacky), but this whole "guessing game" garbage is simply annoying.

- Remove those damn taco stages. I'm fine with diversity in stages as squares get boring after awhile. However, certain matchups in those stages are just a nightmare. Sarah vs Taka in that stage is just pointless.

- Character changes: Not as important but still a few things that annoyed me about VF5. What the hell happened to Pai's voice? In VF4 she sounded mature and confident. In VF5, she's just another waifu stereotype. Vanessa lost a bit of muscle tone, that's cool. She looked like she was on the verge of roid rage in VF4. But why lighten her skin tone? Eileen...still waiting for her movelist to be finished. No off-the-wall moves for a monkey kung fu character?

- A few new game modes wouldn't hurt. A team battle mode would be fun (read: not team tag mode a la DOA). A more in-depth training mode would be a great addition to ease new players into the pain. However, I'll disagree with a survival mode. VF's life bars are far too small for that. A few solid combos and you'd be done. Plus you'd have jerks like Kage and Taka trying to throw you out of the ring every 3 seconds.

- VF is best played offline, but for the other 95% of us a better online mode is an absolute must. VF5's online is just...terrible. Forget how bad the PSN servers are, just the mode itself is so......barebones. Sega would do well to rip-off just about any other fighting game that has come out in the past decade on this front. Lobbies like GGXrd, random online tournies like SC5, ability to make your own tournies like SF4, searchable replay system for any player anywhere at any time, etc etc etc...

Ok I'm done now...

 

I like everything dingo said, also make CH elbow and CH middle kick more advantageous and stop 2p ers from spamming 2p. Maybe +10 and +12 respectively. And cmon sega, would it not hurt to design new degault costumes?

 

C O N D O R S P I R E!!

 

I can't speak for everyone else, but for me the LTE is too much of a crutch.

Let's be fair though. In each system you will choose to break the throw that makes the most sense in that situation. For example, in VF5 vs. Kage near the edge of the ring, I'll chose to break his forward throw because I'd rather take the damage of his back throws over being thrown out of the ring. I don't remember the commands in VF4, but the same decision would be made there as well.

However, too often in this game breaking throws and having your throws broken feels too much like "Well shit, he guessed correctly. I guess I'm on defense now." It leads to alot of frustration because you have alot of players (myself included at times) who, on defense, will just stand there holding Throw-Escape-Guard. And if you use a character without a guard break, your only real option is to either play the throw guessing game, go for a low attack, or keep your opponent in negative frames and pray for a CH. It slows the game down and causes much more turtling than should be necessary.

In VF4 (disclosure: I didn't play VF4 competitively), even with the MTE system the thought was always there that "Hey, I could try and break 3 throws, but I might not get them all, and I might choose the wrong 3 throws. And Wolf's throws hurt. Screw it. EVASIVE MANEUVERS!!!" It kept the game lively, fast paced, and more mindfuck-ish.

These are my opinions. Though I'd be happy to hear from someone who played VF4 competitively and his/her thoughts on MTE.

 

I think @ChiefGutti explained it perfectly some time ago:
when playing against *one well-known EU fraud* in vanilla, he never get thrown because he escaped all throws in MTE. Now he eat throw here and there and as result, he even lost few rounds to this guy; rounds he will never lose before.

I think this is not exact, but perfect sum of what vets hate on lazyTE over MTE: it forces you to GUESS