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Again,

The site went live, and is now under construction (from what I understand) I got this link from one of the development folks.

http://www.ctestlabs.org/simulation

I think there is some reference to chi-quanshu on there, enough at least for you to know its not some sort of juvenile prank.
Again I apologize for not getting back with you, but that tournament took place in Youngstown in October 2006.

As far as being for real,what would be the point of getting on the message board and wasting my time and effort to discuss things that are imaginary.

I can't speak for others that have had comments in this thread, but I really don't have time for that kind of thing.

I'm also not interested in impressing anyone with a lot of empty talk and bravura.

dojo chi-quanshu is either real or is not.
our fighters are either sifus or they are not.
we either had tournaments in 2006 or we did not.
The tiger of wushu is either ours or it is not.

wushu, quanshu, kung fu, its all about self improvement, self knowledge, self discipline and honor. In each of these things truth is a fundamental component.

Without truth what's the point?

What would be the point of imaginary tournaments and imaginary fighters and imaginary skills? Just to talk smack to some empty avatars....

Pride and arrogance are found on the road to destruction.

As far as our dojo getting beat in public...

Both victory and defeat are empty if there is no honor and truth,
If the branch bends with the wind it will not break, if the brook conforms to the stone it will continue, how we conduct ourselves in defeat defines our character. It is not dishonorable to loose
only to loose your dignity in the process.

For a few of us VF is a metaphor for life, but for the
many it is something else.

Sometimes it is better to be one of the few than one of the many... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

 

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Fiddlesticks! Our banality is unacceptable for such an erudite contributor as yourself?! Have you no tolerance to accept that which differs from your viewpoint?! Gadzooks!

Chiquanshu is, possibly, a humorous way to misspell Chicken Shoe.

Felgercarb*! The joke is on VFDC!



*MC bonus if you know what this means without first checkng Google!

 

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After having read where Felgercard came from and what it is. I'd have to say I would beat someone up irl if I heard them use it. I can't enter the chance for MC Bonus though cause I googled it ; - ; I am a whack MC ; - ;

 

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These chi quanshu guys are the real deal. I don't know how they will stack up to the Japanese, because I haven't seen all of them play. However, I saw one of their players in action at some underground tournament in Akron, OH. Her name was Sugi_pai. She sat down everyone she faced with ease. According to her, she is a junior fighter with these guys. My cousin played against their master in Youngstown last month. According to him, this guy sat down about 150 people at Gamestop without losing a match. And he won 80% of his matches with a perfect. The most anybody got in any match was 1 hit during the entire match. His name is Darth Kage. They say that he hardly ever plays publicly anymore because he has never been defeated--and cannot find a worthy opponent outside the people in their dojo. Supposedly they have this protocol that you have to beat everyone in the heirarchy to get to him. But noone has been able to beat their most junior fighter to even advance to the next fighter.

 

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Master PO!!

Using pingying chinese without understanding what they mean!!

Maddy, submit a letter of challenge to them and tape the matches /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

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Yes! Yes! Letter of challenge. I read they accept two letters of challenge. I wonder which letters they prefer...

Both "L'S" as in "chaLLenge?"

Maybe only the "H" and "G" characters - "cHallenGe!"


Send them a letter "H" and secretly take it from the word "pHone." That should keep them up at night... "Forsooth! This "H" is most radical - it sounds highly unlike accepted convention! This rough and tumble Maddy character is to be reckoned! Hark! Sound the Glochenspiel of Fisticuffs!

Seriously.

 

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KoD,

While a fighting game is a game of complete information - and there's a subtle distinction between complete and perfect - it isn't perfect precisely because of the element of chance, in this case represented by human error.

Botched-up inputs happen, and happen frequently, even among the very best players. So, while one could predict, one could never assert that something will happen, even if it was the intention that it should happen, by the very originator of the pretended action. Something completely diverse, and in fact completely unpredictable, could result from a failed input.

I wouldn't be so quick to assert that something is just "plain wrong" without taking the time to think it through.

 

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This was a struggle to read through, but at the end I found a great big LOL on completion. Lol good stuff...

 

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This is the most bizarre shit that I have read in a while.

I find it odd that there would be American guys who play the game that religiously without playing with any of the guys here. Part of playing the game seriously or even semi-seriously is wanting to play all the people that you can. These guys actually seem like a parody of the nerdier aspects of VFDC, ie, people taking themselves too seriously and corny martial arts philosophizing.

New Rule:

You can only play Nintendo with me if you submit a letter in triplicate.

 

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When I used to live in the Youngstown Area about 10 years ago I could walk into an arcade and, asuming that there would have been 150 people there to beat, beat all 150 of them at various Street Fighter games. But that doesn't mean that I was so godly at SF that I would be wasting my time with unworthy opponents unless they could beat my buddies and send me a letter of challenge. If I'd had the opportunity to go up against an Alex Vale or a John Choi or a James Chen, forget it. They'd probably mop the floor with me.

All it meant was that competition in the Youngstown area sucked.

The way I see it, as little VF comp as there is in the US, if someone in my area wanted to play against me I'd invite them right over. Drink a beer, play some VF, have some fun. That's what it's all about.

Even though I still return to the area occasionally to visit family, I wouldn't even THINK of meeting with these guys. Po's attitude is just a little creepy. And Youngstown isn't exactly a friendly town.

 

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Masterpo, please accept maddy's challenge.

 

I see Hori has localized the Fighting Stick 3 for the US but it's going for 60 bucks @Gamestop.com

 

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Again, this is just plain wrong /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif The difference between complete and perfect information isn't chance, it is whether you know what the other player's choice is once they make it. If you do, as in fighting games, it's (potentially) a game of perfect information.

Human error doesn't change this fact. A go player can screw up and play two stones in a row, thus losing the game; but go is still very clearly a game of perfect information.

You can argue that fighting games happen too quickly for humans to really take advantage of perfect information, but I already admitted that.

Edit - in fact, if you look at your original post, you already pretty much admitted it was a game of perfect information:

Sure sounds like a (solved) game of perfect information to me . . .

 

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Actually

eruditeness would be lost on me, and to the contrary I don't think the the posters here are banal. We are all part of the VF universe. And if you look at it just right chi-quanshu and chiken shoe do have somethings in common.

My comment about challenges from some of the responders to this thread not being considered is more about the seriousness of the challenge. Anyone can all anyone else out at anytime.

But the question would be why. Why. Our dojo except challenges under most of the same circumstances and rules that other dojos do. We are fortunate because the quality of the VF fighter series allows us to actually develop a dojo around virtual figthers. Although the fighters are virtual the dojo is real with rules, discipline, and honor.

As I stated in other previous posts in this thread, we have somewhat of a different take on VF. We don't just fight just to fight, or for fun only(We do spar from time to time). For us VF is a proxy. Matters that need to be settled can be done so in VF without the taking of life, shedding of blood, or breaking of bones. The results of the matches are considered binding by both dojos. The sifus and all students honor the results.

The kind of arcade brawling that many of the posters in this thread enjoy is just in another category. Chiquanshu typically doesn't go down that road (don't take that as a condemnation of arcade brawling), its just a different use of the VF series. We use it as a proxy in very serious matters that might otherwise need to be solved with tangible injury.

So when some of you have suggested that we take letters of challenge, well... you're using challenge a little different than we do.

And of course we knew that once we came on the VirtuaFighter message boards that many of the VF members would not be able to resist the temptation to call us out. Of course thats as it should be.

We use VF as a tool of diplomacy. Obviously not everyone uses software the same.

As far as letters of challenge...

Name calling really does not rise to the level of a letter of challenge. If there are any wushu devotees out there you should know this. Also I'm one of the lowest ranked in our dojo and I couldn't accept a letter of challenge anyway. Those of you who are wushu devotees should know that.

Remember that this whole thread was about the advantages of better AI over online play. Perhaps after reading these posts it will be clear why chiquanshu prefers better AI.....


The Last Monk

 

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I have not met any of these guys, nor do I know of there whereabouts. I am assembling a team in Pittsburgh in order to challenge these Chi Quanshu guys. I will get back to everybody to let you know what happened--I will tape it and post it. I have seen one of their fighters Sugi_Pai and I must admit that what I saw scared the shit out of me. If the other fighters are better than her, I don't know. I guess we will see.

 

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I avoid adding terms of value (right, wrong, etc.) as I feel they are subjective and perception-based. I will admit there are many ways to look at the relation of chi-quanshu to Chicken Shoe. I'll discuss one of them: It's possible that someone has manufactured or even had the notion of shoes for chickens. The latter could be more likely. It's possible that Chicken Shoes exist only in the mind - this leads to the possibility of chi-quanshu existing only in the mind. I'm not sure if that makes either of them real.

In regards to "somethings" in common. "Some things" and "somethings" could be different from eachother.

Chickens may not have shoes and may practice Shotokan.

I think it would be great if you would come to the SoCal event and convince other members to attend as well. I really enjoy the company of other VFers and I think my attitude is shared. Last year's event holds great memories and I look forward to more. It's total immersion into higher level VF play. Dedication is present among players I've met - even if it's executed differently than yours. This type of event is not common. I hope you chose to attend.


Thanks for being pleasant during these dialogues,

Talis


For you, I have mailed an "E."

 

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The SolCal event is not out of the question. The total immersion and higher level is definitely in our direction. But I would have to bring the whole thing to my master.

If someone did make shoes for the chickens it would most certainly slow them down. But that's not necessarily a bad thing, because perhaps they would have time to stop and contemplate the roses and if they could contemplate the roses then their minds might be more receptive to chi-quanshu and if they were to come to that awareness then one might say that the shoes helped the chickens to know what was real and what is not. And that epiphany would demonstrate that in fact chi-quanshu and chiken shoe have some things in common.

These chikens definitely would make much of shotokan because
they practice:

http://www.iwuf.org/



It is our way....

 

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results speak.

 

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Wow I knew people took VF seriously by practicing hard, learning strats, studying frames, travelling and whatnot but I would've never imagined that it would reach a whole philosophical level for some. I'm also reading things like underground tournaments, letters of challenge, secret players & dojos... I admire the dedication and all but all this sounds kinda extreme & borderling weird if you ask me (no disrespect).

 

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Underground tournaments yes.

dojos yes.,

masters that have blurred the line between wushu in one reality and wushu in VF yes.

Secret players (well in one tournament the identities of both fighters were kept from the spectators by asking everyone to leave)
two or three people entered from a nother room a match was held and the ring name only of the loser was made known.

dojo chi-quanshu is a place where
the virtual martial arts are real.