Virtua Fighter 5 Playstation 3 Version

Re: Smarter AI vs. Online Play

First Of all lack of online doesn't "kill" the game for me. I just want Freaking online mode! So does everyone in the press, but SEGA as usual are out of touch with what the public wants.
The public wanted a sequel to Fighters Megamix on Dreamcast, never got one. It always seems like Sega's sitting on a winning lottery ticket, but they're too PUSSY to CASH IT IN.
The public wanted Shenmue 2 on original American Dreamcast, didnt get it, had to import it or buy an XBOX. The public wanted Shenmue 3. Its been 5 years and we are still waiting. The public wanted Cinemas in VF5 and MORE BOSSES and a coherent story mode, well the game is almost 13 years old and we are still waiting for that.


Look its like you are rabid fanboys and the mere mention of DOA or MOrtal Kombat online throws you into a frothing frenzy. Hey Im just saying get with the times and cop the freakin Online mode already. Tekken is. I know Unsafe Dan youre going to say TEkken is crap because they have .05 slower frames on other obscure nerd garbage. I dont give a FUCK about FRAMES!! Suffice it to say that you have to be QUICKER in VF, and you are punished MORE for fucking up and missing. SUFFICE IT TO SAY that you have to execute the reversal at the moment of impact, or a split second before, and the timing for that depends on the attack anyway so why worry about memorizing statistics.
I'm much more ZEN when I play VF, I deal with the situation as it is, not wasting my time dwelling on worthless statistics. Use right mindfullness ,and right action. The "KARA"
in karate means empty . Some people think "empty hand" means "BARE HANDED" , unarmed fighting. WRONG. "EMPTY" in that instance means empy as in "FORMLESS" Its derived from the Maha Pranja Paramita Heart Sutra of Buddhism. Basically it karate means deal with the CURRENT situation as it is, dont be so blinded by wrote and drills and habits that you dont block the incoming punch coming at your face .
Unless IM writing a graph That catalogs players frame reaction speed per match? Screw STATISTICS on FRAMES. Only guys with RICE SIZED DICKS WHO NEVER GET LAID WASTE TIME ON THAT.
Get a life stop humping the neighbors cat and go get some sun.
I am a firm believer that VF is the best fighting series out there, just open up the comp to online.
And in the ZEN tradition if you have LAG in a online DOA4 match the solutions simple: DISCONNECT. Duh !!!! If your cant find a green ping match that sounds like a personal problem.
Of course Im pissed at Sega but ILL be buying the import this week. If Im badmouthing SEGA's console team its because I know they could've done more. Its like you're a friend to someone, but your a good enough friend to tell them when they are FUCKING UP.


As far as the player replay feature in the PS3 VF5, I actually got an answer from IGN this morning, pretty quick considering I sent the email last night. The author of the preview sent two emails:

I have an update on this for you actually -- a few minutes after I sent you this email my buddy at SEGA hopped on AIM and I asked him to clarify this for me. The option IS in there; but it's only available to record in versus mode (not arcade); I tried this a few times and on my third match I had the option -- it's a bug in this version and the option should be there in the final retail copy when it hits the shelves.

We'll ammend our article to reflect that. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

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Jeremy Dunham
Editor in Chief, IGN PlayStation Team
jeremy@ign.com
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From: Jeremy Dunham
Sent: Mon 1/22/2007 12:58 AM
To: Your MASTER; IGN Play Station 3 Mail
Subject: RE: VF5 recent preview


We have tried every which way possible to try and record one of our own matches and we haven't found that option.

The only things you can record are CPU vs. CPU matches that you can setup in the VF.TV menu (or watch promo videos). In our build (which we're told is near final), there is no option to record a match before or after you start it, and we cannot control any of the characters in VF.TV either.

This may change in the final retail version, but as of right now, our almost finished game doesn't give the option.
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Jeremy Dunham
Editor in Chief, IGN PlayStation Team
jeremy@ign.com
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Of course , he got it wrong and will CHANGE his preview. Isn't that great fellas? All your bitching caused an actual change in their site.

 

Re: Smarter AI vs. Online Play

Dan, haven't you considered that the public isn't an authority over a game that they haven't created? Sega already explained why it won't be online. Unfornately for you and your public, your arguement doesn't hold any weight.

Anyone can correct me on this one. Isn't Shenmue 3 an online game that is in Korean language and the Koreans made it perfectly clear that Shenmue 3 won't ever be released in the US for console? Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this.

 

Re: Smarter AI vs. Online Play

Unsafe_Dan:
It's common knowledge in the Western VF community AM2's console team along with their VF console ports.. suck ass. They are the worst when it comes to adding features, playablity, and tools to help new players. Sorry to sound like a broken record but Sega hates you. It's a fact. I'm not sure if you are arguing against online vf, but online VF would be really fun. That is also a fact.

 

Re: Smarter AI vs. Online Play

Oh No Ive been foillowing Shenmue since it was originally tentatively labeled "Virtua Fighter RPG" . And GLADLY Shenmue online is NOT Shenmue 3. Although, like The Matrix online, it does continue the story some, and will likewise have cinema scenes. Think of it as an open ended epilogue to Shenmue 2, and a prologue to Shenmue 3. Ive seen videos of Shenmue online in action and man does it suck. Its like everquest gone horribly wrong.

 

Re: Smarter AI vs. Online Play

I disagree. I've seen much worse.

 

Re: Smarter AI vs. Online Play

Yeah Shang, no other fighting games have added so much features aimed to help out new players as VF4:evolution. Too bad it didn't translate into sales. So who's fault do you think it is?

 

Bad Marketing

While the game may have the most advanced tutorials and training modes for a fighting game yet, the games (VF4 and Evolution) certainly were not marketed that way. Sega puts out the same stupid game trailers that Tekken and the Mortal Kombat people do...flashy lights, loud noises, five hit combos, dancing characters, and then the typical banner lines like "new fighters" and "new moves"...and no mention of the insane depth that training and quest mode have to offer. Can we get a trailer that doesn't show 17 fighters doing acrobats under different colour strobelights as the camera pans all around them? How about a trailer that showcases quest mode? Or training mode? Maybe Sega can request some game publication or website to do an extensive article on training mode. I mean look at Gamespot, they have in their hands (and IGN) the most anticipated game for the PS3 so far....and they basically have told everyone nothing new about the game. The exposure is nice but I could have written that article...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=hAae7BVs44A

Is VF5Akira on VFDC? Whoever that is uploads a shitload of VF videos to Youtube. This one was just upped while I made the post above and it's IGN video preview of VF5.

 

Re: Smarter AI vs. Online Play

I don't agree with that because other companies that do ports are plain HORRIBLE, and just because Sega doesn't add online play they are bad?

Capcom has NEVER EVER released an arcade perfect port of Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo. David Sirlin had to get a job with them and work with a side company to get the damn port right, even then it's not even a port it's an emulator.

Street Fighter Alph 3 has also NEVER gotten an arcade perfect port in it's life time, I still have the crappy PSX Alpha 3.

Marvel vs. Capcom 2 has never gotten a good port on any of the current gen consoles. EVO worries every year because every year DC's are dying out and that is the ONLY console where Marvel as we know it is even close to arcade play.

Dead or Alive 3 has freakin 3 different versions; one is a stripped down rushed version for the US audience. The other is the finished yet un-beta tested version for Japan (resulting in the famous Hayata cartwheel), and the final is the fully tweaked version available only for Europe.

Soul Calibur 3 console is absolutely retarded, Variable Cancel and other random ass glitches can be found playing that game for 20 minutes. Soul Calibur 3 arcade fixes a lot of these but barely anyone has one.

Guilty Gear Reloaded on teh Xbox is absolutely horrible, the game is so bad they had to import PS2 just to play it at EVO2k5. Even then Sammy absolutely does not care to even port the best version let alone port the newer Slash, and they probably won't port Accent Core either. This is a game that makes amazing turn outs every year at EVO.

Console ports for fighting games IN GENERAL suck, but hey we do live in the USA where arcades are dead. VF3 may have been bad, but I can't help but be impressed with VF4/VF4 EVO compared to everything else. When was the last time Tekken came with high level Japanese player matches on the DVD? Granted in no way does Tutorial mode or training mode make you good, but it teaches you the games system and so much more knowledge than any other fighting game out there. It was enough to get me off my ass and find this forum.

 

Re: Smarter AI vs. Online Play

The more casual someone is, the more they will want online play and tend to like it. This is the golden rule. Whether this translates to getting more casual people to get their asses kicked and to come offline is a totally different matter.

I'm not an online supporter, but i will admit that when I bought Evo, I expected modes similar to DoA (a full fledged story mode, time attack, survival, team battle, watch mode). I got some things, but none of the above. I may not have gotten those, but once I thought about it, it came to me. It would be nice to have all of the above, but AM2 had different ideas in mind. They just want people to play against each other offline, learn the game itself and the characters, and people to be able to fully customize their characters. They're not going for the casual crowd at all. And honestly, they have done a good job in all of these aspects, because these got the focus.

The other thing I got was that I should not be comparing other fighters to DoA. Sure some people do that and end up trashing one over the other despite the differences and inability to compare different forms of the same genre. But I've learned to like the games for what they offer as a whole. DoA has its stuff, and VF has its own stuff. Either you like the game by itself, or you don't. If you start comparing games, you will want one game to have the features of another. Two different games of the same genre cannot be really alike, or else they would be virtually the same. For example, that's like me asking for tag mode in VF because it can look cool (rofl) but it just ain't gonna happen until the developers decide that. Appreciate the differences and what the games have to offer individually, and you will have no regrets. After all, that is only what you can do until you decide to become the head of AM2 lol.

 

Re: Bad Marketing

Well, actually I've seen a VF4 advertisement, in which there was something in Japanese, and I'm pretty sure it was about training modes 'cause that's what was shown in the background of those flying japanese words

I think that we can all agree, that as far as we appreciate the PS3 ver. of VF5, and we are gonna buy it no matter what, there is still the simple fact, that compared to Evo's options.... VF5 sucks

 

Re: Bad Marketing

When VF5: EVO or whatever comes out, you'll probably see more in depth tutorials and such.

I for one, am just glad that I can play uncompromised, arcade perfect VF5. It's a fun game people. Enjoy it.

 

Insecurity issues, no doubt! Like all real life flames, leave this electronice one alone and he'll burn himself out in due time.

 

Ok, you guys are right about EVO's Training mode. I agree it's very good, in fact I still find myself going back to it after all these years. However I feel my original point stands, 'Sega hates you'. And it's evident in VF5.
But that was quick how the pro jumped on my head, you got me okay? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

 

Where's the info on what all VF5 has in the way of training mode? I found the quest mode announcements, the character transfer announcement, havn't found anything on training mode info though other than a screenshot showing a frame counter.

 

I'm lazy and want to be able to go into my local gamestop or gamecrazy to get some sticks for VF 5. SEGA owe's us this since we didn't get the arcade version (except for Chicago).

All the rumors going around need to be confirmed will I have to go online, or will I be able to go to a store and pick them up.

 

http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=14008

VF5 ps3 just gone gold!

 

Re: Bad Marketing

hi guys.im a new guy in this site . i am the only vfan in cyprus.here all people play tekken.they dont understand the vf quality.very bad players. i want to ask you something.when ps3 comes in europe.i cant waiting anymorei i want vf5 now.

 

Re: Bad Marketing

Thank you for posting VFcypriot!

I hope that you can help nurture some more VF players in Cyprus! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Post on the boards with any questions you might have! We're here to help!

 

Re: Bad Marketing

i dont think so.all people here are stupid.tekken and tekken.fucking game....you know. vf forever my friend!!!!!!!!.i hate the cypriots players.i want a tournament!!!!!!!!!!!!