VFR FT thread

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

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vanity said:

...When you're that much better, you can get away with playing ultra conservative.

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What?!

I read that you imply ultra conservative play requires great skill disparity to your benefit. That sounds really bizarre to me. If you're that much better you can get away with, well, anything - why use ultra conservative play? If I were that much better than someone I would try to get away with playing ultra flashy.

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

I don't think it's possible to lose when you far outskill your opponent, and you play conservative. On the other hand, playing flashy might cost you a round. (Besides, it's not like the people he was playing sucked by any means)

When two highly skilled players play, the person who plays the better risk/reward game will usually win, unless the other person gets really lucky. However, when you are far better than someone else, you can get away with a simple defend-counter game, with very little chance of losing.

And when two equally skilled players play, the conservative player will lose at least 80% of the time.

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

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And when two equally skilled players play, the conservative player will lose at least 80% of the time.


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In a related note, the amount of nut I manage into the napkin is inversely proportional to the intensity of the masturbational fantasy. For instance, when I think about banging the redhead down the street I can normally deposit at least 90% of my load in the Kleenex, but when I think (for example) of leaving big red handprints on Laura Bush's powder white derierre while Condi Rice pees down my back, the sweet nectar of my loins sprays all over the place and I'll probably be able to wear the sock again tomorrow.

There are no replays of this so let's stay on topic, huh? Good.

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

Wait...you're a bush supporter? /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

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vanity said:

I don't think it's possible to lose when you far outskill your opponent, and you play conservative. On the other hand, playing flashy might cost you a round. (Besides, it's not like the people he was playing sucked by any means)

When two highly skilled players play, the person who plays the better risk/reward game will usually win, unless the other person gets really lucky. However, when you are far better than someone else, you can get away with a simple defend-counter game, with very little chance of losing.

And when two equally skilled players play, the conservative player will lose at least 80% of the time.

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Huh???? I don't understand what you are saying at all. If you are a much better player than your opponent then you will not play conservatively. Instead you'll play aggressively with lots of flash. People tend to play conservatively/defensively when their opponent is strong. And don't forget that Wolf is a defensive character.

And where did you come up with that 80% statistic btw?

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

It's true that when strong players play weaker players, some tend to play with flash. But I think it's also true that there are players who would play more conservatively. The thinking is that "I don't need to guess to beat this guy," and hence, the freak chance of losing to a scrub is a lot less.

I can think of many situations where I fooled around and allowed a weaker opponent to get to a one-more-round-and-I-win situation, only to lose that round. Had I played conservatively, and defeated the opponent in a manner that didn't require much risk, I wouldn't have lost the match.

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

Good matches, Segaru's play was superb. As far as his conservative tactics, I think it would probably be more appropriate to say that a strong player would adapt his tactics to defeat the style of his opponent. Y'know, that whole yomi thing. Of course, coming up with bullshit statistics that attempt to explain what's going on in a top tier VFer's head is cool too.

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the amount of nut I manage into the napkin is inversely proportional to the intensity of the masturbational fantasy

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I'm doing the best I can to get that pussy I owe you!

 

Yomi > System > Yomi

Different techniques work differently well at different levels of the game and that's important to know. There's no point in doing a delayed throw against someone who doesn't fuzzy and no point in doing a delayed launcher against someone who never evades. Stepping works better when you're at a higher level and can actually bate a reaction etc etc. But to the eyes of someone who doesn't understand these things it would just seem flashy, and yes, even cocky to do a yoho as a delayed move (why did he do a yoho lolz??!). Someone might backdash (to DC / Shldrm / whatever) to attack to catch someone who both tries to evade and use 2p for instance at -3 and then it's (WTF did he backdash for in advantage?? What a showoff lolz!!!).

What this indirectly means it's hard for us to actually understand alot of things that actually are happening (AMTE etc) when top players play and we bring it down to a level we can grasp; conservative / flashy (abare). Machi / agressive. Stuff like that.

I know it's a classic but it's all about judging your opponent and most of all his defence and patterns. If an opponent doesn't understand the concept of RN and how to apply it you can throw him every time - even after "safe" moves (that are say -6) as his options are to gaurd or evade. If he sucks at inputting gaurd at the end of his throwescape patterns it's free to do a heavylauncher from time to time when he's TC, giving you heeps of damage. If he has good def he can choose to do ETEG to avoid both your attack and throw threat but then you can start doing your delayed launcher. See where this is going?

When two equally skilled opponents meet it's the one who has the best understanding of the opponents playstyle and can impose his own the best that wins. This is why you would have a bigger shot against someone much better then you your first match but after 20 games or so, if he hasn't started playing very casually, a snowballs chance in hell.

/KiwE

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

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Really, segaru was just playing with those people. When you're that much better, you can get away with playing ultra conservative.

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i think you guys are taking this way too seriousley...

all you have to do is watch the final evo tournament again to see chibita getting all the way to the finals playing absolutely RIDICULOUS!! /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

haha!, no doubt he's a skillful player, but i think there especially is some sort of pressure phycology when you know your opponent is good. that's when you think too much and fall for stupid things. (that's why chibita is laughing and getting bored on the other side, lol)

in this case however, i think the players segaru was facing wasnt thinking fast enough so he was able to throw them at oki. i think that's down to the opp's play being quite bad. dunno about them generally tho.

segaru in general is lower on my wolf list because it always seemed his attack game lacks some confidence and he doesnt control the pressure well enough (imo). it's nice to see him on the attacking end for a change. he's still a winning wolf despite anything!

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

Dunno it just seemed to be Segaru was mucking about, I've played the same way with Wolf when the competition is lacking /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif , but cmon credit for the new 6, g walk over the ko'd body ^_^

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

New movie update:

Dera Akira vs. Devil(?)(Lau)
?(Wolf) vs. Devil(?)(Lau)
Chibita(Lion) vs. Devil(?)(Lau)
Chibita(Lion) vs. Dragon Wolf
Chibita(Lion) vs. Tsuchikumo(Pai)

Edo(Kage) vs. PK Akira
Edo(Kage) vs. ?(Sarah)
Edo(Kage) vs. Rarita(Lion)

http://www.vfr.gr.jp/movie/index.html

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

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ghostdog said:

New movie update:

Dera Akira vs. Devil(?)(Lau)
?(Wolf) vs. Devil(?)(Lau)
Chibita(Lion) vs. Devil(?)(Lau)
Chibita(Lion) vs. Dragon Wolf
Chibita(Lion) vs. Tsuchikumo(Pai)

Edo(Kage) vs. PK Akira
Edo(Kage) vs. ?(Sarah)
Edo(Kage) vs. Rarita(Lion)

http://www.vfr.gr.jp/movie/index.html

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just want try to help
WO player is cmr, SA is Anii!!!!

devil(Lau) is majin.

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

MORE matches??? SHIT IT'S LIKE CHRISTMAS UP IN THIS PIECE!!!!!

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

I finally understood why Edo is considered as an excellent Kage! Many originals combinations in these videos, I really Like it.

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

haha!, forget his kage,... it's ALLL about his lau. /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

ofcourse i have the scars to prove it, lol.. as you can tell from CMR's match, wolf vs lau is a very difficult match for wolfs.

EDIT: GO TSUCHIKUMO!! /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif -- he so rocks.

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

i have a problem, chibita has almost 30,000 games played. (does that only include ft?)

1: How much money did that cost him?

and more importantly

Why haven't all of his vids been uploaded yet?

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

Surprisingly, Chibita doesn't have the moneybag icon (which I'm pretty sure is given to players that have spent some ridiculous amount on their VF.net card) for his playstyle. I don't know if that's something that you get automatically or if you can choose to have it, though (can somebody clarify this?). However, even with 30,000 matches played, he also has an incredible win percentage. This implies that he gets damn good bang for the 100 yen that he has shell out to get started, so maybe it's possible that he's managed to avoid the moneybag icon (if it is actually automatically given) just by kicking a lot of ass.

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

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vanity said:

i have a problem, chibita has almost 30,000 games played. (does that only include ft?)

1: How much money did that cost him?


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A god doesn´t need a purse. I bet he EARNS money when playing, not spend it... /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

The 30000 is a combination of Evo and FT matches.

 

Re: 2004 TOKYO BAY AREA CUP VOL.6 [2004.09.26]

Just think of how many losses Chibita has in his card. The number of lossesX100 Yen will be the money he spent on that particular record(card). Of course he's got several Lion cards and cards for all sorts of characters, so it'd be way more than that.

The number of wins doesn't really contribute to the cost as you don't pay when you win. You could think of the case where nobody wanted to play Chibita so he had to play CPU and beat the crap of Dural, but I'd say that'd be a rare case in Japan.