VF5REVO Command Lists

Yep, that works as well.

 

Ah, I did not realize there was a detailed view of the commands. I was looking at Final Showdown command list and noted there were several of the crouching hits in the notes section. Did not realize that was encapsulated in another area of the command list in the REVO section.

 

I'm personally a big fan of pointing out unusual crouch properties etc. in the notes section to immediately draw attention to the fact that they exist. I don't think anyone is clicking through individual moves on the list to find out which ones do something you might not immediately expect.

 

For crouching hits, should data marked as "-" matching the corresponding standing hit frame data be filled? I.e. a standing hit resulting in +3 and a crouching hit also resulting in +3 but currently labeled as "-" should be changed to +3?

Also, is data about the type of crumple for different hits a good addition for the command list?

 

EDIT: These changes and additions are added into my consolidated post.

There are a couple hit effects not listed in the hit effects section of the wiki. I will name them here to make it easier to notate the effects on certain moves.
Blowback (it's not a blast back since they do not skid)
Face Down Slam (not techable)
Face Down Trip (not techable, almost like Face Down Slam)

Aoi Command List:
-- Blowback on NH/CH
-- face down slam on CH, forces crouch on hit
-- flop NH/CH, super replay
-- stomach crumple type 1 CH
-- blowback NH/CH
-- stomach crumple type 1 NH/CH
-- head crumple type 1 NH/CH
-- vital crumple CH
-- slam CH
-- stomach crumple type 1 CH
(Sabaki) -- stomach crumple type 1 NH/CH, super replay
-- face down slam CH
(Sabaki) -- stomach crumple type 2 NH/CH
Ryushou (from Ryu'in ) -- flop NH/CH
Ryukon (from Ryu'in ) -- face down trip CH
Ryu'en (from Ryuka ) -- blast back NH/CH
Ryukaku (from Ryuka ) -- stomach crumple type 2 NH/CH
Ryusen (from Tenchi In'you or) -- stomach crumple type 1 NH/CH
Ukifune (From Sundome hold ) -- vital crumple CH
Tobigeri (while rising ) -- blowback NH/CH
Tobi Kasumigeri (while descending ) -- face down trip CH
Opponent behind -- blast back NH/CH
Opponent Behind or -- stomach crumple type 1 CH, super replay
-- side standing/crouching CH side crumple
-- crouch and side crouch CH stagger
-- forces crouch on hit
-- forces crouch on hit
-- forces crouch on hit
While descending -- forces crouch on hit
-- Down on crouching CH
-- back crumple on back CH
-- super replay
-- super replay
-- forces side turn on hit

 

Personally, if there was a way to select which columns displayed as an advanced view, that would be perfect.

 

I’ve been thinking of a double row listing. I know the table would have to be adjusted with new visual language, but I think it should still skim well.

There might be opportunities for things like total frames to be listed on the row below execution but I can see arguments for or against that. The reason I am thinking of that is because that column is usually hidden in mobile portrait view.

 

I definitely would like the different crumple/stun hits to be in the data if possible

 

Also, while I'm here and being selfish, may I request the sorting on the columns to better collate the down, stagger, and "-" without jumbling in the middle of "0" entries? Currently, all four will be jumbled together making finding certain properties a bit more annoying.

 

Leifei

 

Leifei

 

yea i 've been writing it in the combo notes section

 

Aoi Command List:
Hasami Okuri (both versions) should be face up feet toward instead of face up head toward.

-- +6f~+33f on NH/CH from the stagger

EDIT: These changes are also listed in my later consolidated post.

 

Revo Sarah:
The ability to sabaki kicks has been removed from Sarah's
The Sabaki frames have been changed and now start at frame 8.
(I dont have a place to upload the source pic)

 

The circular evades against Shun's Oushin feel like they're all listed backwards. Considering his chest is clearly pointing in one direction and his back to the other it just feels wrong that according to the movelist, his chest side is apparently his back and his ass side is his front

 

In addition to the new additions and corrections, I'm consolidating the Aoi frame data corrections/additions from my previous two posts for ease of entry. I tried to make sure to order the entries in order of the command list to make it easier to track.

There are a couple hit effects not listed in the hit effects section of the wiki. I will name them here to make it easier to notate the effects on certain moves.
Blowback (it's not a blast back since they do not skid)
Face Down Slam (not techable)
Face Down Trip (not techable, almost like Face Down Slam)

Rentotsu Kodachi - crouching GRD -5, crouching NH/CH Down, side crouching GRD -2
Rentotsu Kusanagi - crouching NH/CH Down
Rentotsu Kinuguruma - crouching GRD/NH/CH Down
Rentotsu Ryusen - crouching NH -2, crouching CH +4
Rentotsu Ryusen - crouching NH -2, crouching CH +4
Rentotsu Ryusen Soushou or - crouching GRD/NH +3, crouching CH +6, side crouching GRD/NH +6, side crouching CH +9
Koromoguruma - crouching GRD/NH +6, crouching CH +9, crouching side GRD/NH +9, crouching side CH +12, back crumple on back CH
Tsumujikaze - crouching GRD/NH +6, crouching CH Down, side crouching GRD/NH +9
Ougimai~Tachikaze - crouching CH stagger, crouching side CH stagger
Kasane'ate (2nd hit) - crouching GRD/NH +2, crouching CH +4, crouching side GRD/NH +5, crouching side CH +7, forces crouch on successful hits
Ryoushi - crouching GRD/NH +0, crouching CH +9, crouching side GRD/NH +3, crouching side CH +12, super replay
Gedan Shouda - crouching NH +4, crouching CH +7, crouching side NH +6, crouching side CH +9
Musouha - crouching GRD/NH -2, crouching CH +2, crouching side GRD/NH +1, crouching side CH +5
Hou'oushu - crouching GRD/NH +4, crouching CH +10, crouching side GRD/NH +7, crouching side CH +13, forces crouch on successful hits
Tsukiashibarai - crouching NH +1, crouching CH Down, crouching side NH +4
Joudan Keri'ate~Datotsu~Tachikaze - crouching GRD/NH/CH Down (Blowback), all downs are Blowback
Chienami - crouching GRD/NH +3, crouching CH +8, crouching side GRD/NH +6, crouching side CH +11
Raijinha - crouching GRD/NH -1, crouching CH Down, crouching side GRD/NH +2
Tenraitsui - crouching GRD/NH +5 forces crouch, crouching CH Down (face down slam), crouching side GRD/NH +8 forces crouch, forces crouch on standing/side standing NH
Sou'unha - crouching GRD/NH/CH Down (Flop), all Downs are Flop, super replay
Kamageri - crouching NH/CH stagger, crouching side NH/CH stagger, +6~+33 from stagger
Kasumigeri - crouching NH -4, crouching CH -2, crouching side NH -1, crouching side CH +1
Kasumi Renshou - crouching GRD/NH -3, crouching CH Down (stomach crumple type 1), crouching side GRD/NH +0, all downs are stomach crumple type 1
Gedan Keri'ate - crouching NH -6, crouching CH -2, crouching side NH -4, crouching side CH +0
Maegeri - side standing/crouching CH Down (side crumple)
Sayo'arashi - crouching GRD/NH +4, crouching CH Down, crouching side GRD/NH +7, forces crouch on successful hits, Light Bound
Oushu Hiji'ate - crouching GRD/NH/CH Down
Sanseigan - crouching CH Down
Ouka - all downs are blowback
Namigaeshi - crouching GRD/NH -2, crouching CH +4, crouching side GRD/NH +1, crouching side CH +7
Iwaodome - crouching GRD/NH/CH Down
Soushouda - crouching GRD/NH/CH Down (stomach crumple type 1), all downs are stomach crumple type 1
Jousei Ryusenshou - all downs are head crumple type 1
Inshou - crouching GRD/NH +1, crouching CH Down (vital crumple), crouching side GRD/NH +4, all downs are vital crumple
Tengu Otoshi - crouching GRD/NH +3, crouching CH stagger, crouching side GRD/NH +6
Tengu Otoshi~Kaname'uchi - all downs are slam
Shinchuzuki - crouching GRD/NH +1, crouching CH Down, crouching side GRD/NH +4, all downs are stomach crumple type 1
Shinchuzuki (Sabaki) - all downs are stomach crumple type 1, super replay
Ryusen - crouching NH -1, crouching CH +4, crouching side NH +2, crouching side CH +7
Ryusen - crouching NH -1, crouching CH +4, crouching side NH +2, crouching side CH +7
Ryusen Soushou or - crouching GRD/NH +3, crouching CH +6, crouching side GRD/NH +6, crouching side CH +9
Sodeshinken - crouching GRD/NH/CH Down
Shigure - forces side turn on NH/CH
Shizuriyuki - crouching GRD/NH/CH (Face Down Slam), all downs are Face Down Slam, Heavy Bound
Ogamigeri - crouching GRD/NH/CH Down
Ogamigeri (Sabaki) - all downs are stomach crumple type 2
Kusanagi - crouching NH -6, crouching CH Down, crouching side NH -3
Nami'okoshi - crouching GRD/NH/CH Down, super replay
Ryushou (from Ryu'in) -- crouching GRD/NH/CH Down (flop), all downs are flop
Ryukon (from Ryu'in) -- crouching NH +4, crouching CH Down (face down trip), crouching side NH +7, all downs are face down trip
Ryu'en (from Ryuka) -- all downs are blast back
Ryukaku (from Ryuka) -- crouching GRD/NH/CH Down (stomach crumple type 2), all downs are stomach crumple type 2
Ryuka Kusanagi (from Ryuka) -- crouching NH/CH Down
Ryusen (from Tenchi In'you) or -- crouching GRD/NH/CH Down (stomach crumple type 1), all downs are stomach crumple type 1
Ukifune (From Sundome hold ) -- crouching CH Down (vital crumple), all downs are vital crumple
Tobi Hou'ou (while descending) -- crouching GRD/NH/CH +11, crouching side GRD/NH/CH +14, forces crouch on successful hit
Tobigeri (while rising) -- all downs are blowback
Tobi Kasumigeri (while descending) -- crouching NH +4, crouching CH Down (face down trip), crouching side NH +7, all downs are face down trip
Mawari Shutou (opponent behind) -- crouching NH +2, crouching CH +5, crouching side NH +4, crouching side CH +7
Ura Kasumigeri (opponent behind) -- crouching NH -4, crouching CH -2, crouching side NH -1, crouching side CH +1
Mawari Shitageri (opponent behind) -- crouching NH -6, crouching CH +0, crouching side NH -4, crouching side CH +2
Oboro Shutou (opponent behind) -- crouching GRD/NH -3, crouching CH +1, crouching side GRD/NH +0, crouching side CH +4
Oboroharai (Opponent behind) -- crouching NH/CH Down (blast back), crouching side NH/CH (blast black), all downs are blast back
Namigaeshi (opponent behind) -- crouching GRD/NH -2, crouching CH +4, crouching side GRD/NH +1, crouching side CH +7
Iwaodome (opponent behind) -- crouching GRD/NH/CH Down
Ura Kusanagi (opponent behind) -- crouching NH -4, crouching CH Down, crouching side NH -1
Ryuyouha (Opponent Behind) or -- crouching CH Down (stomach crumple type 1), all downs are stomach crumple type 1, super replay
Hasami Okuri (both versions) should be face up feet toward instead of face up head toward

I haven't tested the rising attacks crouch/side crouch NH/CH frame advantage.

 

Noticed that Goh 4K+G says "during whiff or hit recovers back turned" but it should just say "Recovers back turned" since it now causes the stagger on block instead of Goh getting his leg stuck on the opponents guard.

 

Would the VFDC admins consider creating an OTG (green) combo section in character combos?