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VF5R Pai - what do you think?

Discussion in 'Arcade' started by Konradinho, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. Konradinho

    Konradinho Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    konradinho2
    VF5 6+P gives stagger on hit and its excellent for big damage low throw combos. VF5R 6+P gives no stagger and hasn't got any other effect. Thats why i dont like it.

    EDIT:

    New videos!
    http://d.hatena.ne.jp/video/niconico/sm3994171 PAI VS EL BLAZE

    0:35 new move gives stagger on hit and 0:36 it's NATURAL COMBO on counter hit. Cool /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif 41 damage on CH for 2 hits.

    0:38 propably /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is awesome! Crumples on CH and gives guaranteed combo. After wall hit, player didnt do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/ub.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif and it could be proof, that AM2 removed that move. NOOOOO!!

    1:40 new 2 hit combo, first move looks the same like Leifangs from DOA b+P move. I think it will be also NC on CH.

    http://d.hatena.ne.jp/video/niconico/sm3994276 PAI VS VANESSA

    2:33 /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif on normal hit gives nothing, on CH it crumples.

    2:35 new combo starter gives flop effect on counter hit! Maybe this will open a road to some big damaging combos for Pai.
     
  2. Cruz

    Cruz Well-Known Member

    I thought the point of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif was to be a safer alternative to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, not by it's stagger properties, but yeah I guess that does suck...
    But does it hit an evade???
     
  3. Konradinho

    Konradinho Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    konradinho2
    6+P is totally linear
     
  4. Cruz

    Cruz Well-Known Member

    I was talking about the VF4 /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif...
    Oh well, I thought they were gonna make her better...
     
  5. shadowmaster

    shadowmaster Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    animelord79
    XBL:
    shadoolord1979
    I was really hoping Pai's 6P would be a stagger of some kind but it isn't. Make me wish Pai was the way she in VF4 evo or VF5 at least or something. They take away her easy stagger moves when she is facing the enemy directly. Is her rising K a stagger like it is on PS3 or is it still a knockback move like it was in VF5 on 360. They could at least give that much at least.
     
  6. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

    PSN:
    Akai_JC
    XBL:
    Akai JC
    How do you get the stagger? I never noticed.
     
  7. Konradinho

    Konradinho Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    konradinho2
    On crouching opponent.
     
  8. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

    PSN:
    Akai_JC
    XBL:
    Akai JC
    I think I tried it on a crouching opponent, did not cause stagger. Do you mean, crouch guard stagger (not at home to mess around with the move)?
     
  9. Konradinho

    Konradinho Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    konradinho2
    Yeah crouch guard, sorry. And it causes stagger when u hit backturned crouched character (ex. after 6+P+K+G low throw)
     
  10. Cupcake_Desu

    Cupcake_Desu Well-Known Member

    maybe that two hit punch is the new animation for her sabaki 6-4+p,p
     
  11. Cupcake_Desu

    Cupcake_Desu Well-Known Member

    i also noticed it staggered on guard in the el blaze vid, but was not sure
     
  12. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

    PSN:
    Akai_JC
    XBL:
    Akai JC
    Thanks, I did not knew about the off-axis stagger.

    I finally took some time to check this out on 360 VF5 version.
    It does not have anything related to crouch guard. The only time it causes stagger is off-axis neutral opponent. It only works after 6+P+K+G low throw if opponent does not press any buttons..I think (neutral versus normal hit).
     
  13. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

    PSN:
    Akai_JC
    XBL:
    Akai JC
    Looking at VF5R Move List - some additional changes not mentioned yet..

    = loses the punch command after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif
    = /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif command likely changed to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

    Her old /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif reversals are removed. In VF5R, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif are the new command input for her stagger reversals (previously the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif commands.)
     
  14. Konradinho

    Konradinho Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    konradinho2
    No, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gifis still same command, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is a command to Pai's new bodycheck move (i wrote about it some posts above).

    And ...
    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/ub.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is still in the game! SWEET /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
    Shame to Pai inashis, it always was a big point in my playstyle. But why they didnt give Pai any low reversal? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif Trip Up is too hard to use in fight.

    EDIT:
    Lol old D f+P input isnt listed. and maybe bff+P+K is her bodycheck? Now i dunno anything /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif
     
  15. KoD

    KoD Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    codiak
    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif == 燕青虎双破 == old /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif

    This is part of the theme of reducing execution requirements, like they did for shoulder rams, since you can just do it as /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif which is easier to find on a square gate.
     
  16. Shidosha

    Shidosha Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    I_Am_Shidosha
    XBL:
    Ur Not Shidosha
    i just thought of something...
    she has /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/ub.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif And a shoulder ram?
    oh my word...
     
  17. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

    PSN:
    Akai_JC
    XBL:
    Akai JC
    Hopefully, this means someone with clumsy hands like me will be jumping less in game. -_-;;

    Her inashis (low damage, resulting in stagger) are still there just with new commands:
    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. Her reversals (higher damage, no stagger) were removed.
     
  18. Konradinho

    Konradinho Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    konradinho2
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=z_wYPMJaAIY

    I KNEW IT!!!

    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif will make opponent bounce just like in VF5! Hell yeah! 0:58 97 damage action! SWEET!!! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
     
  19. Konradinho

    Konradinho Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    konradinho2
    According to new MOVELIST, Pai lost her 8+K+G pounce and she propably does not have an low wall throw or somethin'.
     
  20. seven5suited

    seven5suited Well-Known Member

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    Her reversals (higher damage, no stagger) were removed.
    </div></div>

    Nooooo! Is this confirmed?
     

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