VF5R Goh Changes

His forward 270 was removed, he has a different throw now that does 70 dmg with a half circle command. His back 270 is still there but also has a half circle command now.

 

Well I guess it's ok if he loses his old forward 180 throw, since he gains two new hit throws in the process. The animation of the old 180 throw was great though. But i can see how it does the basic same function of a tsukami throw, breaks your balance and throws you. Goh must have some of the best upgrades in VF5R

 

His old forward 180 is now 46p+g.

 

I don't think it's been posted, but:

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2:40 is an awesome change.

 

It's been posted .

 

To all Goh-players:
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_jOVtHRGE&feature=channel_page
At 1:48 nakaji39 performing 9K+G from BT-position (or while turning after BT back crouchdash), so away from the opponent...I know that in VF5R 9K+G is improved(more okizeme potential), but this...IS it possible to perform in VF5?!

 

I've seen that too some days ago. It's not possible in VF5 though. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

 

I'm still confused... Are we talking about the tackle throw (Tsuchikumo) or the Tsukami (comes out after P+K when hitting P+G) throw being special low, or are you saying BOTH are special low???

Special low is a pretty interesting property for the tackle though. Seems unusual, but VF rules so... AM2 knows what they're doing.

ALSO @ Tony: Is the wall moves from the half wall new to revision A or something? That was definitely not in the first version of R?

 

For christ's sake: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is special low! The end.

 

I dont understand the point of it being a special low in the first place. Its like having a throw that doesnt throw. Or, a low attack hitthrow without the need to input the throw part. Bleh.

 

Apologies to Myke.

I think we already have attacks like that: Pai's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and Goh's (again!) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Hmmm apparently Shun's is the only other character who gets an auto hit-throw out of a successful /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif sabaki.

If only VF5R vanessa did that with her /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif

 

Myke wrote:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I wasn't familiar with the changes to Goh in VF5R so I re-read the VF5R Goh Changes thread in the arcade forum.

Apparently the <u>tsukami</u> is now a special low attack (not special mid as Jide mentioned a few posts ago). If it were special mid, then I'd expect it to clash against a standing throw.

Being special low explains why it can be guarded standing and crouching, as well as why it beats a normal throw since it won't clash (low attacks don't clash with standing throws).

My comment regarding "the way it connects" refers to the fact that it used to be a catch throw, but is now a special low attack. Hence, the conditions for it landing successfully have changed.

Sorry if I caused any confusion. </div></div>
It seems that Mykejust Tsukami (Goh's judo stance after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif) mixed whith Tsuchikumo (/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif).

So is /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif now Special Low attack, not Stand Catch throw? I think, No. Because i've seen fights where it seems that /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif not crush Normal Stand throw attempts althought it should be...but at the same time /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif was not punished by Normal Stand throw at the same time, Therefore, we attributed it to 66P+G's crouch phase during execution.
Need more testing: just 66P+G and Normal stand Throw at the same time results...will discover the truth.

 

Because that i what everyone was thinking right?
Shun's not strong enough and definitely not tricky enough. Hmmmm.....how about we give him a lay down game that includes evades!!!!!!!!! and mixups. <----preferably only punishable for minimal damage.
And someone else countered with no, he needs a hit throw, where you don't have to enter the throw.
Compromise: both
...
what's next, will it work on gaurd to : (

 

lol.

You want some cheese to go with all that whine?? When you see a tournament where all the Semi-Finalists and Finalists are Shun's, then AND ONLY then do I want to see all these haters come out again. Seriously, you guys gotta get off Shun's dick.

And in an effort to stay on-topic, I agree with Yosuke's post. Goh's 66P+G is ridonkulous. A (rather fast) Special Low Attack that auto hit throws for additional damage and good okizeme, and is only -4 on block? Special Low is better than if it were true Low, but it still means it can beat any attack level... and being approximately 20 frames, there are MANY applications. And is it just me, or does Goh appear to be crouching during its execution? Cuz that would mean it ducks high throws, and high attacks in general. This is one move Goh players should throw out ALL DAY LONG from the sound of it. And it doesn't ever require Goh to have 10DP! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Oh, but I think it can be throw escaped ...Wow, Goh really has no sympathy for any rules, does he?

 

Hey! YOU get off Shun's dick, buddy! Shun's broken, OK?!!! (dramatic reading on that last OK)
Even Dural is scared of Shun /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif

On topic: ... I got nothing.

 

haha. Jerk.
Honestly, i can't really complain about shun or goh being strong, or about lei fei being nerfed at this point, because if we ever get to play this it will be an updated version. And whatever balancing issues it has then will be unique and different from the ones it has now.
But that being said, given the current state of what we now see in videos...don't u think there will be a LOT more goh players in 5R.

 

Goh is still close to one of the least used characters in Japan.

 

Can you provide any links? I'm just speculating, but maybe the initial frames of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif are still considered standing and are susceptible to high throws. </div></div>

I misled about the properties of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif...Just look at this (2:39), comrads:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0DGFSSzuN0
2:39-that we are seeing:
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif ("Tsuchikumo") now in VF5R is Special Low Attack, that have a throw animation-i.e. in VF5R we recieved NEW TYPE OF ATTACK!
...Moreover, this type of attack becoming "throw" only when it hits Front side of the opponent; If it hits back, for example, it looks like ordinary strike and deal a little damage. Very interesting new Goh's feature.

 

SUGATA, how you think, it's may be true, what no more Tai Otoshi? How may be Ju-Jutsu without Tai Otoshi? May be, now Tay Otoshi it's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif? And no more Tachidori-Todome? Why? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif

So sadness what you go out from http://www.fighting.ru/forum /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

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