VF5R Goh Changes

That, I don't know. It's also not in the move list whether it staggers on BLK. I'd guess it doesn't as you can connect it with a finisher.

 

Hmm yeah.. Just trying to figure out if you can use it just like his current 6p+k, p.

 

since the 2nd hit is high it would whiff vs a crouching opp.

 

It is, most of the time, used as a combo finisher.

 

Don't know if this has been posted already somewhere, but it's got two really good Goh players doing some hardcore combos. I've never thought of Goh as a combo heavy character but he sure does have some good ones in R.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4nL_VFawTI

 

Just got back from a two week trip to Japan, got to spend some time playing VF5R (and by "spend some time" i mean mostly getting tuned by far better players, lol)

anyways here are some of my observations on Goh's changes (not all encompassing, just based on my limited play and what i've been able to decipher from the official command book)

- as noted before, the throw follow ups for 6,6k+g 3k+g and 6,6p have all been simplified (no more directional inputs, just p+g)
- as noted 6, 6p now ducks under highs, making it more useful
- 270 degree inputs are gone (4,2,6p+g [new arm triangle choke] and 6,2,4p+g are the highest damage throws)
- couple of new throw inputs: 6p+g (old 4,6p+g) and 4p+g (old 6,4p+g)
- 4,6p+g replaces the old 4,2,6p+g throw
- i actually like the 2,3p+k input for the shoulder ram, makes it easier to execute after you get used to it
- 3p+k knee sabaki is alot faster than the old one and lunges forward, still causing stomach crumple on hit (note: i couldn't seem to 2[or 3]p+g+k into tsukami grab or guillotine choke like i used to be able to after causing stomach crumple. you CAN still get in a ground throw provided they don't escape it)
- (note on above) i was, however, able to catch opponents with the crouch throws after hitting on 6,6k and 6k on major counter
- i like the new finisher for p,k,p because a) it's freakin badass; and b) it adds some variety alongside goh's BT game. only downside is that it seems pretty punishable if you wiff it or get it blocked (bear in mind that i may just suck)
- it seems alot easier to get in a side throw after BT p+k hits

ermm, that's all that i can think of for now as far as observations go, but i'm sure i'll remember some other stuff

 

thanks for the notes. good shit.

 

I don't think /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif sabakis knees any more -- I remember a clip where Goh's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif actually sabakis knees.

 

I noticed that too, I did a quintuple take.

Never did like that the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif sabaki was so specific.

 

Is there any difference in Tsukami movements(dmg, struggling)?
And is the fact that 43P+K not duck now under high or Throw?=(((

 

- now that you guys mention it i think you're right: i don't think 3p+k sabakis knees (i remember getting frustrated because i couldn't time it as a sabaki, i guess this explains it) but i agree, if 4,6k sabakis knees now i think that is more useful because it is alot less specific to apply, it's too bad i can't decipher the command book i picked up

- and as far as i could tell the damage for the tsukami movements (as well as the animations) remain the same

 

Does 4,6k still sabaki HK, MK, and SK, or is it just knees now?

 

http://gohnotes.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/gohs-new-vf5r-skills-revealed/
...I am across this...its probaly old...dont know if its posted already....

 

pretty sure it's been posted already. first spot I learned of goh's changes for r. good looking out though.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNvT5l68UGE

it looks like 4,3pk can be used to deflect low kicks?

 

Definitely looks like it. Maybe they added it to try and balance it out since they made it recover high now.

 

wow goh can now have chains with that knee i must say i'm loving that

 

yeah from what i've seen on major counter /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif you can get a guaranteed /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif which leads to some nicely damaging combos

wish i knew that when i was playing this game in japan

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYfP4A44yU&NR=1
Goh showing off some combos..old video but never seen it before..

 

Forgive my ignorance, but I heard Goh's 270 degrees forward throw(my favorite) was changed to half circle and the damage was reduced. Does that mean Goh has No more 270 forward throws at all and did he also lose his 270 degrees backward throw(when he kicks you in the leg and throws you backward.)