VF5 Vanessa Thread

Re: VF5 Vanessa

Something has been bothering me for a long time. The differences between /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif in DS and OS are so odd to me.

DS:-3 on block, +2 on hit, and Head crumple on counter

meanwhile...

OS:-12 on block, -1 on hit, and Stumble on counter.

I noted that OS has the option to do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif which is safer, but...it still doesn't make to much sense to me how they did this.

DS is not only safer, but it nets a crumple on counter. Free Inescapable damage against attack happy opponents and it's delayable. While OS is unsafe...making it's more risk for less reward. Cause nothing is guaranteed after stumble. If your opponent can struggle well, then you're left to gamble with a mix-up.

Not to mention that DS works better when at a disadvantage. Im sure they meant to do it this way, but it just feels like a mistake to me. The safe damaging one should have went to OS. I mean really...DS has 4 different quick mid punch attacks...

Blah..I just wanted to bring up something thats been irking me for the longest time...

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

In DS it's mid to high, in OS it's mid to mid

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

I don't feel that completely justifies making it unsafe though. Im glad you reminded me of that, cause I frequently get low-punched in DS during that string...thats all that ever happens though, and I continue my offense unimpeded(because I'm in DS). Also If I expect a low punch I can always go for the knee instead of the high punch.

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

Meh... only use it in combos, or as a way to go into DS.

Problem solved.

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

Chefboy you're comparing the wrong moves - what you SHOULD be comparing is:

DS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -- OS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif
Both mid-high natural combos; DS version crumples on CH but OS version positive frames on block.

DS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -- OS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif
Both mid-mid; DS version is safer but OS version gives stumble on CH.

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That said, this discussion is totally irrelevant with the rest of the thread, plus we're doing some major necro-posting here. I think it'd be preferable if Chefboy's recent post & followups were moved & the thread was locked.

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

Aside from using /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (DS) to crush excessive jabbing and quick hits (I love doing it) and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (OS) what are some other ways really stop jabs and fast attacks mainly in her offensive stance that don't rely on a counter hit. (OS) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif seem to be abit too slow and in order to stopping excessive jabbing and quick hits consistently I always have switch to DS and do the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif.

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

bleh

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

If i remember correctly OS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif will duck under highs & won't throw clash up to -8, right? But i don't remember reading specific frames for OS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, maybe we should get KoD to investigate on the exact frames it ducks under highs. Once again i propose moving some of the posts (Chefboy & afterwards) and locking the thread (possibly renaming it too) in order to keep the original, pre-release, discussion intact.

PS: lol i made my way into Sebo's sig? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

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I remember seeing in the black book that it ducks at 8-12 frames.

Remember correctly... I'm not sure.

If only it launches on mC.

I'm thinking of maybe making a directory thread (will need a sticky). Hopefully then people will stop bumping the wrong threads and making the same stupid ones (retarded ldealism).

(by mid-may expect actual Vanessa updates unless I quit the game by that point)

Yeah, it is kinda funny. My JFK line from VF5R thread might take it over.</s>