VF5 Vanessa Thread

Re: VF5 Vanessa

has a completely new animation and seems a bit faster, but didn't find much use for it anyway.

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

But the new one in OS can launch low rising attacks ? Is it jumping ?

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

Yeah, as I said in my post seems to avoid low attacks at least in some instances. It seems to have a quite large attack frame window too so it's useable for crushing rising attacks as well.

I'm not completely sure if it avoids lows 100% though, I think it might only be counting as a jumping attack late in it's startup.

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

Oh yeah, one thing I forgot about that annoyed me a lot: When I delayed 3P+K to punish evaders the move would sometime mysteriously whiff against the opponent when he failed his evade. I don't know if this is a flaw within the move or the general system.

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

Yea, from what I understand there is still a problem with moves whiffing inconsistently when they should connect. I hope they fix these problems soon.

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

[ QUOTE ]
Jeneric said:

from Evo/FT is now , thus eliminating the 1f delay that it used to have, is also a great counter hit tool in some situations with the Takedown hit throw.



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So she still has her Counter Strike knee kick. The only difference is the change in command. This makes her Offensive Style even more better in my opinion.

 

To all Vanessa lovers out there. Sometime next week I will be posting the Vanessa Lewis command list for VF5. It will be a 2-part post. Part 1 will cover her Defensive Style moves and Part 2 will cover her mighty Offensive Style moves. Of course I might not do both parts in one day due to being in school in all. but will be posted in that time. So stay "tuned" to this thread.

 

Jeneric:
In extension: does the whiffing of DS + upon succesful sabaki still exist?

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

Here is Part 1 of the Vanessa Lewis command list for VF5. (Part 1 consist of moves in her Defensive Style.)

Strike Attacks

Jab:


One Two:


One Two Low:


One Two~Switch Knee Lift:
++ (To Offensive Style)

Shadow Combination:


Shadow Combo High Kick:


Feint Body:


Crush Jaw:
(when rising from crouch)

Back Knuckle:


Back Knuckle High:


Back Knuckle Stream:


Back Knuckle High~Switch Backblow:
++ (To Offensive Style)

Back Knuckle Toe Kick:


Back Knuckle Toe Kick~Front Sleeper:
(counter hit) +

Front Sleeper~Hold Face Knee:
(counter hit) +

Ducking Body Blow:


Ducking Body Smash:


Heavy Impact:


Sit Jab:


Takeoff Elbow:


Takeoff Elbow~Switch Knee Lift:
++ (To Offensive Style)

Cut Upper:


Defensive Elbow:
(Sabaki; LP, LK, SW)

Front Kick:


Switch Left Slicer:
or

Half Moon Kick:
(rising from crouch)

Cut-in Knee Kick:


Cut-in Knee Kick~Front Sleeper:
(counter hit) +

Front Sleeper~Hold Face Knee:
(counter hit) +

Shadow Slicer:


Parrying High Kick:
(Sabaki; HP, MP, HE, EL, HK)

Parrying Combination:


Stopping Low:


Stopping Low Combo:


Stopping Low~Switchback Blow:
++ (To Offensive Style)

Sit Down Low Kick:
or

Right Angle Toe Kick:


Bone Crush Middle:
(can be charged)

Heavy Hook:
+

Heavy Hook Combo:
+

Heavy Hook~Switch Knee Lift:
+++ (To Offensive Style)

Fake Spin Elbow:
+ (sabaki)

Grand Spike:
+

Leopard Strike:
+ (sabaki; MK, SK, KN)

Cut-in:
+ (sabaki; LP)

Bomber Strike:
+

Boomerang Hook:
+

Guard Crush Tornado:
+

Heel Kick:
+

Switch Back Middle:
+

Back Charge Kick:
+ (can be charged)

Back Charge Setup:
+ (while charging) (To Offensive Style)

Step Out:
+ (while charging)

Step In:
+

Low Spin Slicer:
+

Stomach Crush:
+

Stomach Crush-Front Sleeper:
+ (counter hit) +

Front Sleeper-Hold Face Knee:
+ (counter hit) +

Leg Bomber:
+

Intruder Hook:
(neutral stance) hold

Intercept Body Blow:
(neutral stance) hold

Gliding Slicer:
(neutral stance) hold

Gliding Back Knuckle:
(neutral stance) hold

Gliding Toe:
(neutral stance) hold

Gliding Middle:
(neutral stance) hold

Setup:
++ (To Offensive Style)

Barrier Kick:
(in Defensive Move) +

Body Hook:
(in Offensive Move)

Smash Toe Kick:
(in Offensive Move)

Defensive Style Reversals

Hand Hold: auto-reversal (Right or Left HP, MP)

Face Crush Upper: (during Hand Hold)

Face Crush Knee: (during Hand Hold)

Shoulder Breaker: (during Hand Hold) +

Prison Armlock: or + (HP, MP)

Leg Catch Throw: or + (Right HK, MK)

Leg Hold Throw: or + (Left HK, MK)

Leg Hold Smash: + (Side Kick)

Throws

Canyon Dive:
+

Elbow Rush:
+

Hell's Gate:
+

Rolling Arm Crusher:
+

Replace Throw:
+

Heaven's Gate:
or +

Army Combination:
+

Wall Kiss:
(opponent's back to wall) +

Judgement Guilty:
(opponent's back to wall) ++

Stomach Crusher:
(opponent's back to wall) ++

Takedown Blow:
(right side of opponent) +

Head Divider:
(left side of opponent) +

Rock Crush Throw:
(behind opponent) +

Rib Crush Body:
(opponent crouching) ++

Rib Crush Knee:
(opponent crouching) ++

Rock Crush Throw:
(behind crouching opponent) or ++

So that takes care of Part 1 of her command list. Onward to Part 2, where her mighty Offensive Style moves is covered.

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

Now here is Part 2 of the Vanessa Lewis command list for VF5 (Part 2 consist of her moves in Offensive Style)

Strike Attacks

Step-in Jab:


Quick Upper:


Double Jab~Switchback blow:
++ (To Defensive Style)

Straight:


Machine Gun Combination:


Quick Back Blow:


Feint Body:


Combo Knee Kick:


Smash Straight:


Fake Lancer:
+ (Input + before executes)

Smash Upper:
(rising from crouch)

Body Blow:


Body Blow~Bullet Hook:


Body Blow~Switchback Blow:
++ (To Defensive Style)

Stride Combination:


Long Barrel Blow:


Heavy Impact:


Heavy Straight:


Body Straight:


Chopping Right:


Assault Combination:


Blow Back:


Crimson Lancer:
+ (To Takedown)

Stinger Strike:
(can be charged)

Tank Buster:
(max.charge)

Leg Guard Crush:


Short Upper:


Bunker Buster:


High Kick:


High Kick-Intercept:


Fake Lancer:
+ (Input + before executes)

Death Scythe:


Cluster Knee:
(rising from crouch)

Counter Strike:


Crimson Lancer:
(counter hit) + (To Takedown)

Knee:


Knee-Kick:


Knee-Kick-Jab:


Knee-Kick-Jab-Hook:


Blow Back:


Crimson Lancer:
+ (To Takedown)

Knee-Kick-Jab-Switch Knee Lift:
++ (To Defensive Style)

Landing Knee Kick:


Landing Knee Combo:


Hunting Kick:
or

Stop Middle:
( to Intruder Step)

Stepping Low:


Stepping Low Combo:


Stepping Low Smash:


Blow Back:


Crimson Lancer:
+ (To Takedown)

Stopping Low Combo-Switch Knee Lift:
++ (To Defensive Style)

Stopping Toe:


Flag Back Knuckle:


Stealth Body Blow:


Stealth Body Blow~Switch Knee Lift:
++ (To Defensive Style)

Stealth Spin Kick:
( to Intruder Step)

Stopping Toe-Second Impact:
( to Intruder Step)

Stopping Toe-Switchback Blow:
++ (To Defensive Style)

H*A*W*K Strike:


Chopping Hook:
+

Chopping Hook-Body Smash:
+

Chopping Hook-Switchback Blow:
+++ (To Defensive Style)

Pile Bunker:
+

Lightning Lancer Tackle:
+ (To Takedown)

Lightning Smash:
+

Lightning Smash Combo:
+

Russian Hook:
+

Uppercut:
+

Upper Heel Sword:
+

Quick Back Knuckle:
+ (continues with series)

Guard Crush Tornado:
+

Leg Slicer:
+

Leg Slicer-Takedown:
+ (counter hit) + (To Takedown)

Heel Kick:
+

Leg Cut Low:
+

Leg Cut Low-Takedown:
+ (hit) + (To Takedown)

Quick Toe Kick:
+

Leg Crush Hold:
+ (hit) +

Back Charge Kick:
+ (can be charged)

Back Charge Setup:
+ (while charging) (To Defensive Style)

Step Out:
+ (while charging)

Step In:
+

Leg Bomber:
+

Setup:
++ (To Defensive Style)

Side Step Lancer:
(in Defensive Move) + (To Takedown)

Body Smash:
(in Offensive Move)

Quick Knee Kick:
(in Offensive Move)

Intruder Step Attacks

Rising Upper:

Rising Upper-Switch Knee Lift: ++ (To Defensive Style)

Rolling Toe Kick:

Bunker Crusher: +

Spear Tackle: + (To Takedown)

Takedown Attacks

Hammer Knuckle: (1st, 2nd attack)

Hammer Knuckle Finish: or + ( 3rd attack or as 1st or 2nd attack)

Body Punch: (1st, 2nd attack)

Body Punch Finish: (3rd attack or as 1st or 2nd attack)

V1 Armlock: +

Throws

Canyon Dive:
+

Elbow Rush:
+

Styx Hole:
+ (To Takedown)

Arm Crush Throw:
+

Triangle Lancer:
+

Leg Breaker:
+

Rampage Drive:
(opponent's back to wall) +

Head Divider:
(left side of opponent) +

Chinook Strike:
(right side of opponent) +

Deep Sweeper:
(behind opponent) +

Upkeep:
(opponent crouching) ++

Hell Hound:
(opponent crouching) ++

Deep Sweeper:
(behind crouching opponent) or ++

Sources for this info:

-VFBBS
-virtuafighter.jp
-Virtua Fighter 5 Command Book form Arcadia #75( Yes, I'm still using it!)

Well there you have it! Parts 1 and 2 of the command list. I must say that Vanessa is a lot more balaned in Virtua Fighter 5. I am going to use her more often once VF5 is released in the U.S. Well enjoy!

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

Hey gebudiah, thanks for the transcription.

Are you in the oakland area? There are a number of us in the bay area that plays VF. Care to join us sometimes?

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

+ from defensive move
Can't remember seeing it used in vids, maybe I missed it here or there. Seems interesting though, making takedowns much more likely. A hit throw from dodge is a nasty little thing I'd say, wonder how fast it is.

I've always been an offensive Vane player myself, so I'm very happy with these changes.

Thanks again for the work.

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

[ QUOTE ]
Vortigar said:

+ from defensive move
Can't remember seeing it used in vids, maybe I missed it here or there. Seems interesting though, making takedowns much more likely. A hit throw from dodge is a nasty little thing I'd say, wonder how fast it is.

I've always been an offensive Vane player myself, so I'm very happy with these changes.

Thanks again for the work.

[/ QUOTE ]She got that in FT. You can escape it so it's not as powerful as it might seem.

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

[ QUOTE ]
Srider said:

Hey gebudiah, thanks for the transcription.

Are you in the oakland area? There are a number of us in the bay area that plays VF. Care to join us sometimes?

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Sorry for the late post, Strider. I actually live in the city of San Leandro, which is next to Oakland. I'm glad there are bay area VF players out there. Unfortunately since I'm in school full-time, I don't think I will have the time to join you and your friends for a VF gathering. But thanks for the offer.

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

[ QUOTE ]
Gebudiah said:

Here is Part 1 of the Vanessa Lewis command list for VF5. (Part 1 consist of moves in her Defensive Style.)

Defensive Style Reversals

Hand Hold: auto-reversal (Right or Left HP, MP)

Face Crush Upper: (during Hand Hold)

Face Crush Knee: (during Hand Hold)

Shoulder Breaker: (during Hand Hold) +


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Yayyyy thanks for the info

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

the hand hold p and k also leaves opponent sideways, and you can usually get a blue-hit pppk. I'm sure theres better things from there, but thats all I've seen work with any consistency. It could possibly also be used for an OM counter opportunity.

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

the pppk will get a blue hit, but it'll fail if they block low. 3K is better because it'll stagger if they crouch guard, is safe on high guard, and will probably side-crumple on counter hit.

Can't offer my opinion on OM because I haven't been able to use it too effectively just yet. But from Side Turned situations like that, OM into a 0-frame throw is a good option (that I need to make better use of~).

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

jeneric said something about offensive stance 66kp being at a disadvantage on normal hit. this is not true... 2p vs. 2p always go in van's favor after this move hits normally or MC.

my friend was using this move almost solely against me, whilst mixing it up with a run up throw. ostance 66kp will beat out 2p, and leaves in van for a good position to 2p train the opponent, then eventually go for some throw/mids (depending on how the opponent reacts).

on block it's only truly punishable by 10 framers. the black book says it's -11 on block, so it does not guarantee a throw. and a 2p will beat out throw happy opponents.

i had a hard time dealing with this move. then again, i probably suck.

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

Vanessa youtube channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/acebreaker

 

Re: VF5 Vanessa

hehe, the last post i made i spoke of how good os 66kp was. that was almost 2 months ago... then dre posts those vids and that player enjoyed using that same move.

66kp has crazy hitboxes. although i'm pretty sure you can evade between the hits on block if you mix it with 66k8_2k.