VF5:R Location Test Report!

On the P+K change, that's only on fully-charged right?

6P+K is my biggest curiosity right now. I'm all for the ability to hit-check it though. Usually stuff you can hit check is safe on first hit, and I dig hit-checking so yeehaw. But the old 6P+K was so good, that if this turns out fairly weaker, the old will be missed haha.

They're really taking out guaranteed stomps left and right off throws and moves in R. I'm glad to see it though.

Lol no one used 4PPP out of Kokei, glad they took it out. (I even purposely used it when I knew I shouldn't just cause I wanted the move to get used once in awhile haha).

I'm confused on the Kokei addition K+GP. Is it like Goh's where it hits then you can punch? Or? Either way though, even if this has slow execution time, this makes Kokei pretty terrifying lol. ETEG won't be the Kokei killer anymore and it's really going to apply pressure like woa.

These changes sound fun and realistic though. I'm pleased. Thanks a ton Srider (And Ladon) for taking the time to put that up.

EDIT: I'm fairly certain those outside of Japan are going to get to play it Reno. Just have to wait longer. Like we have on -every- installation. If not, time to save up for one of those cabinets! lol

 

KrsJin: I'm not gonna say we'll never see it on console, but for the time being it's arcade only, and really, there are only a few people on this site that are affected by these changes, so I don't see the reason for all the complaining.

 

Word word. I feel you. There is a lot of needless complaining/whining/talking about what some don't know jack about going on in here lol.

 

'Why did they take away Akira's 2_6pp???!?'

Courtesy of Myke. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

You know the joke.

 

You know, I actually complain at an early stage for the microscopic chance that my thoughts would somehow carry over to where people make these decisions. So far it has or may have happened in MMO-development only though (later changes have mirrored thoughts I presented few months before at forums).

Loss of Akira's SgPm-SDE makes me grit my teeth and make me want to punch someone, but it doesnt make Akira weaker character as such. (removing something for no particular purpose is however stupidity in my eyes). Compared to Sarah changes which will propably be completely groudbreaking for that character.

 

Thanks for the video, but I kind of added one in my Youtube account about a day ago.[/size]

 

Yeah yeah, no duh it's not on consoles yet. We know that but it will, be. One of the selling points of Vanessa was the depth of her character. A little of that is lost in VF5:R.

People are pissed. What the fuck did you expect to happen? And you're shocked people are bitching? 90 percent of the posts on MB's are always bitching about something. Griever is bitching about the complainers, for Christ's sake.


Vanessa already had at least 3 launchers,1 in defensive style and two in offensive. She didn't need a fourth. This is shit. Take away AKIRA's mid and high reversals and give him some unnecessary launcher when he already has three launchers. While we'reat it take away AOi's reversal she has inashi's. While you're at it, Take away Akira's Fucking ten foot(4,6 P+G) toss throw, That is bullshit anyway. He gives yoy a GAY little shove,and YOU'RE FOATING ON THE MOON for ten minutes,while he juggles you with little effeminate jabs (Tekken style mind you, which is bullshit) until you ring out. How the fuck does THAT crap make the cut? Akira should NOT be able to juggle ANYBODY or ANYTHING with that lame, half assed jab. It looks stupid ,fake and out of place in VF5. He should only be able to juggle with something RAPID, AGGRESSIVE and (relatively) difficult to input like the DLC. By the way take outthe easy input for DLC.


And take away BRADS mid kick reversal,he has slips and duck he doesn't need a reversal either.

If AM2 wants to make up for this debacle (they don't of course) they should give EVERY chracter the ability to reverse a reversal( as currently Pai only has vs. Pai). That would add another layer to the whole game.

 

You have the presence of mind to escape her punch reversals though /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbs_up.gif

Some of us like their character's design. I do realise that having a low that can crumple on CH would be far superior to superfluous mid reversals in terms of character balance for vane but I like her submission punch reversals, even if they can be escaped, i like her leg grabbing face-sluggin mid-kick reversal and i like her Geese-like other kick reversals. I feel they suit her military-trained style and would hate to see them go. I refrain from falling to a complete fanboy-whining explosion by lying to myself hoping that the extra moves are actually tested and destined for the new characters /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

I'd love to read Zerochan's opinion on this /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif

<u>DISCLAIMER:</u> i am aware that replacing vane's reversals is not a nerf. This is not a rant post. I am discussing aesthetics concerning the moves of what i consider to be my favourtie videogame character. This post is as relative to character balance as were the posts discussing vane's change in skin colour when VF5 back when first came out. That is to say, not relative to character balance at all. So once again, this is not a nerf-rant post.

 

Isn't this basically the "chicken" from Tekken??? Reversing the reversal is getting too far into that one tiny aspect of the game. In Tekken what happened iirc was everyone just did the "chicken" move (the reversal reversal... yes folks I just wrote that) after every move!

Forget throw escapes when your at -12, now start entering reversal escapes after EVERY fucking attack! You can see how that would get old pretty fast, no?

I'm psyched for VF5:R!!!

OT: I honestly think everyone will find new tactics and flows with their character that will be just as effective as their old ones. I don't see the point in complaining about SEGA nerfing Vanessa. Everyone knows Vanessa is a powerful character, more powerful than a lot of others, not ALL but many. So some nerfs to even her out sound pretty fair to me.

I'm 110% positive that the people who stop using Vanessa or whatever character anymore because "they're too weak now" will just move on to the Lei Fei/Vanessa power character equivalent in VF5:R because that's the way they are. They use the most powerful character available to them in any game because that's their psyche. They feel cheated any other way (as you can see with the proposed nerfs)...

 

Because it makes absolutely no difference?

 

The only thing she lost is a few neat looking animations. If the reversals were a component of Vanessa's depth for you, odds are you'll be better for having lost them.

 

You guys know that Vanessa's new 1P+K and 4P+K are new attacks with built in reversal properties right? Also they stomach crumple on successful reversal so that you can do bounce combos.

 

So you have an FT kit to sell me, for the retail price of a new PS2 game, right?

 

Nope, I didn't know that. I guess somewhere in the course of all the WAAAH WAAAH whining I missed the real information. That is wow though. People are gonna have more ammunition to say Vanessa is overpowered. Actually after hearing that these moves have reversal properties and crumple...I'm starting to agree /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

That would be cool...but I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic again

Ok, even assuming that isn't true, I don't know why people are assuming this is a nerf. I'm not a good player, but looking back at my last 10 matches, I must have only attempted a reversal and had it succeed maybe 2-3 times (max). I think that's about right for better players too, when I check out Acebreaker's videos on youtube.

So whatever move they replace the reversals with, as long as I end up using it more than 3 times in 10 matches (which isn't that hard), than I see it as a buff.

I mean, I'll miss the reversals too, but I don't see losing them as a nerf, at least not yet, not until I see how the new moves work...

 

I haven't thought about it this way, but you're right /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
Sorry ppl /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
Anyway, I was still wrong, sorry Srider, the Vanessa talk didn't end /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif
Now I just hope to see more VF5R videos soon /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

Maybe it's just your style of writing, but I am mystified how you keep making strong statements about the overall strength/weakness of a character based on reports of how a few moves changed when you don't know what the other changes are. "Completely groundbreaking?" Isn't that going a little too far? Or do you always exaggerate without all the proper facts?

 

*To the tune of Itchy and Scrathy*
They bitch, and whine
and bitch and bitch and whine
bitch, bitch, bitch
whine, whine, whine
...and haven't played the game!!

Normal I don't post negativity but, damn. After looking over this thread for the past few days, all I see is constant belligerent comments about character X made by people who haven't even popped in the required credit to discuss such. I guess speculation and discontent at future possibilities is how they cope with the lack of information. Or perhaps it's just their attempt at keeping the topic active with conjecture. It's almost getting to a TZ level.

I hope one of the things that AM2 revamps is the counter counter system. The fact that Pai can reverse one of her own moves wasn't fully thought out, as the number of mirror matches is quite low and to go with the theme of "Reality" how could you even reverse yourself? I would limit this as to who has this ability and to what moves warrant this. Besides it's official release, the major thing I am awaiting is to hear if it will hit a console.

Exiting with the word of the day, "Adapt"

A?!