VF5 Jeffry Thread

Re: Random Jeff

I think opponent can at least interrupt all Jeffs backturned moves with his own, but I dont know if opponent can get anything guaranteed through.

Id really like to know for sure whats the fastest way to turn around and block (just /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif?) because this is an issue with several Akiras moves. There are some situations Im not sure are they combos or not. The issue is turning around with a block, how fast is it? I remember someone mentioning 5-7 frames somewhere.

 

Re: Random Jeff

Is side throw guaranted after K+G?

 

Re: Random Jeff

Side throw is escapable, so it's never guaranteed. They cant duck a throw if K+G hits, though. PPP is guaranteed if K+G counter hits.

 

Re: Random Jeff

P+K,P(ch):6P+G

I'm not sure but it seems it can be mashed.
To practice this move just go to dojo and set "reaction 1" on CPU.
Just do P+K,P and start pressing 6P+G as fast as possible.

This move looks much easier than 66P+K+G because of larger input window.

 

Re: Random Jeff

I couldn't find what post you're responding too... so maybe it makes more sense that way, but it's wrong to equate those moves in general. Hit throws, and hit throws on counter hit are completely different classes of moves. P+KP > 6P+G is meant to be used for poking, and the hit throw is for possibly getting some extra damage if your opponent forgets the second punch and tries to attack for some reason. That is, the fact that it requires hit checking the counter hit for success on the hit throw means they made the input window more lenient.

66P+K on the other hand, is meant as a punisher when you have 15 frames advantage, but are facing an opponent who's good at throw escaping, the hit throw allows you to get throw-style damage without the risk of getting 0 if you go for Splash Mountain or something.

 

Re: Random Jeff

Not only that, but there's no reason not to slam in the hit-throw input every time you do a hit-throwable move; it's not like a normal throw will come out (unless you're really, really late, I suppose).

 

Re: Random Jeff

Well, yeah, I agree in principle. P+KP is a little unique though in that you have two attacks leading to the hit throw. That is, even though hit checking the P is hard, or possibly impossible, you can easily hit check the P+K, and use that to predict whether the P will hit or not, and whether there's a chance for a counter hit. Perhaps I rambled too much... my point was really the distinction between a poking move and a punishment move.

That is, I think the larger window on P+KP is specifically to help make the move easier to execute in exchange for the "difficulty" of needing a counter hit. 66P+K on the other hand, you should mostly bother using when it's guaranteed to hit, and then the hit throw is also guaranteed... which also makes it easier, and arguably more useful, to just spend a little time and memorize that timing first. That said, they're both great moves, and I use both of them, so it's not like a value judgement.

 

Re: Random Jeff

Nah. You can predict if they're going to try to attack after getting hit with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, but: never perform a hit throw without inputting the throw portion.

It may or may not connect, but damn it's better to do it then get MC and not do anything because it can be "hit-checked." Shit if you can hit check something like that, side-stepping in the correct direction on reaction shouldn't be that hard.

 

Re: Random Jeff

I try this move once a while.
If P+K is blocked, and followed P is delayed, then is a big chance for CH.

Not very useful but looks nice.

 

Re: Random Jeff

Damage is useful. Almost as much as /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif.

 

Re: Random Jeff

Yeah, but more experienced player just duck and punish whatever I do if I abuse this move.

 

Re: Random Jeff

Then either stop delaying it, in which case it will combo on normal hit anyway, or dash backwards and punish the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (walk back lowthrow will also work if they're simply ducking). If they've got a good fast low, this wont work too well, but it's still fuzziable on guard.

 

Re: Random Jeff

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If only I knew what EMX originally said /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

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Why would you edit that? That's golden!

*thumbs up!*

 

Re: Random Jeff

wait I'm stupid

people who don't do something to avoid the followup after P+K consistently are probably gas huffers