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VF5 Jacky Thread

Discussion in 'Jacky' started by KoD, Jul 10, 2006.

  1. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    I understand the technique you describe, but it doesn't work when I try it. I suspect that you're letting the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif linger when the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is pressed. Turn on your command display and see if there's a gap between /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif.

    I have no problem holding /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif during combos anyway.
     
  2. danny13

    danny13 Well-Known Member

    Actually I had doubts about Freddie's method until he showed me. But then again, I'm already too used to holding forward way.
     
  3. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    Yeah, but danny, how did he show you? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Did you have command display turned on? That's all I'm asking -- someone else test this out!

    Freddie might think he's letting go to neutral before he presses /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, but what one thinks and what actually happens could be two different things. All I'm asking is for some objectivity!

    The other thing is, I'm assuming you're using the VSHG stick, no? I notice that the buttons will register with very little downward movement. That is, the button doesn't need to go all the way down to register. So you might not think you've pressed the button yet, but it actually is!

    So again, someone else, please try this out? Turn on command display, do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/n.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, and see if you get the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif instead of the normal /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif.

    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/n.gif = neutral
     
  4. danny13

    danny13 Well-Known Member

    I seriously tot Freddie was on crack too.

    With the command display turned on, it showed /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif which was what I expected or else why its called a buffer? I'm 100% sure cos he's doing it over and over again and going 'see? see? see?'.

    Its the same thing when I wanted to do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif for Akira after 2p back in Evo. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif neutral /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif.

    Remember the guy who could do SPOD, TFT combo with 1 hand in the Evo disc? I think i know how he buffered his moves with such ease already...
     
  5. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    Danny, it's good that you brought up Akira's standing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif from crouch. As you know, you must enter it as /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/n.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif and the command display will show:

    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif
    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif
    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/n.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif

    you won't see:

    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif
    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif

    because if you do, you'll get the byakko!

    If commands are entered separately, they'll remain separate. They don't magically fuse together at a later point.

    Now if you're saying that you saw the command display show:

    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

    then I really doubt the input was:

    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif
    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/n.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

    why? Because I keep trying to reproduce it and I can't! And I'd like to think that I'm pretty OK in the input skill department.

    Why don't you try it and let me know, instead of going on what Freddie showed you? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

    Again, anyone else is welcomed to try this as well and report back your findings!
     
  6. danny13

    danny13 Well-Known Member

    Ok. I've tested it out in Dojo already.

    With the command display turn on, I manage to do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/n.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to get the kick several times. I can also do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/n.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif to get his elbow too.

    Actually this gave me a new perception on changing Leifei's stance quickly too.

    I'll make a video for reference but wonder if the resolution is too small to see the command inputs.
     
  7. danny13

    danny13 Well-Known Member

    Ok here we go.

    I did it with 1 hand as the other hand has to hold my camera. Please take note that /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif will have Jacky voicing "earrn!" as compared to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif where he will say nothing.

    The first /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif i did the usual way by holding /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif and press /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. The second one i let go of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif and press /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif.

    <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_eK7V_E8trs"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/_eK7V_E8trs" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
     
  8. SummAh

    SummAh Well-Known Member

    thanks danny.
     
  9. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    In your vid, you held /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif for 22 frames, and on the very next frame, you pressed /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif:

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" style="height: 48px;"><pre>
    42 22 ->
    8 K</pre></div></div>

    I would expect this to work!

    But what if you held /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif for 22 frames, wasted maybe 3 frames at neutral, and then pressed /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif:
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" style="height: 48px;"><pre>
    42 22 ->
    3 8 K</pre></div></div>

    What would be the result?

    Seriously, thanks for the effort in taking the vid Danny /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif but I think you missed the original point (Freddie's tip, remember?)

    What you really should be testing is:

    Can you do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/n.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and get the same result as /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif?

    Show me a video of that! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
     
  10. danny13

    danny13 Well-Known Member

    Oic. So you mean after I let go /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif, the very next frame I pressed /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif without holding /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif and the computer register it as /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif? Anyway if I waste more frames at neutral, the computer won't pick up the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif anymore.

    Actually Freddie's objective was to teach people to let go of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif at the earliest moment possible. I must admit though, the letting go part before pressing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif isn't very practical as it has to be the VERY next frame so it isn't gonna help newbies much.
     
  11. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    So that proves it then! You can't really buffer a /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif input at all, unless you press /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif the very next frame. No wonder it wasn't working for me!

    Thanks for being patient and testing this out danny!

    I owe you a beer next time I see you, and Freddie an iaigeri in the ass /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

    Anyway, to give something back to any aspiring Jacky players, for instant iaigeri kicks from a neutral situation, enter it as /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. This saves you having to wait those extra frames while holding /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif for a /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif to register.
     
  12. Jerky

    Jerky Well-Known Member

    Just to add. You maybe thinking "what's the practicality of me doing this move from a neutral situation?"

    Well, not only does the move give you advantage on guard, but it also hits half circular. Keep this in your ground arsenal for players who rely heavily on fuzzy guarding or are consistently favoring a certain direction for evading (a more advance use for this move). This will put immense pressure on the "defend n' retaliate" style of machi players.

    In other words: If they're simply waiting for their turn to attack, then don't give them a chance to bearing in mind that you can still be beaten by low attacks and mids that go through highs such as Kage's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif.
     
  13. Genzen

    Genzen Well-Known Member

    Ok, Does anyone have any combos for back,forward+kick (what used to be forward and kick in Evo)?

    Also, has anything changed from the full charge gut crumple from downforward+ppp+k full charge?
     
  14. Ken_I

    Ken_I Well-Known Member

    Can anyone recommend a good Jacky player to watch match vids of?
    I'm very unfamiliar with Jacky players (at least in 5 anyways). The Jacky in the Exhibition matches always tries to get counter hit /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif , /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif combos as well as OM a lot. I just thought maybe seeing a different kind of Jacky play might be a good way to see variety.
     
  15. femininefatale

    femininefatale New Member

    How do you make Jacky shirtless in VF5? The third costume won't let me remove the tanktop.
     
  16. Genzen

    Genzen Well-Known Member

    You have to win the 'no tanktop' item. That's how I did it!
     
  17. femininefatale

    femininefatale New Member

    It is random. Or from a tournament? Thanks.
     
  18. AkiraBahn

    AkiraBahn Member

    I think I got it from collecting the seven orbs, just keep getting orbs and buying new orb discs. You'll get it soon enough.
     
  19. Genzen

    Genzen Well-Known Member

    I don't think it was an orb item (could be wrong) as I only remember getting various brown leather clothes for costume A from that, along with a suntan option for his skin.

    I think it's either a tournament prize, or an item battle prize.
     
  20. Ogi

    Ogi Well-Known Member

    i think u will get jacky's shirtless(3rd cos) when u promote from 4th dan to 5th dan. same as how to get Akira's shirtless.

    well about that 46k combo on Counter hit, u can do a lot of stuff like 66k(52),3k+g(53),1pk(58,openstance),7k+g(58)...etc. well if u want to be little flashy lol, u can also do 2p+kkk(51).
     

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