VF5 FS Revision 1 changes

Hehe, I wish there were more videos of VF play way back in the day (MoAT for the win!!!), even retrospective articles of the old scenes even before my time.

Fortunately VFDC still has its old posts and some of us here still have at least the discs Mr. Bungle (aka RSW) put together that archived a lot of stuff, I think it even archived the old usenet postings too (THoVF and #VFHome ftw).

About getting other fighting game players into VF... This has exploded into so many threads before, but I still think it's not for lack of trying the game out. Maybe not committing to the game, but you can't expect commitments everywhere for anything--it just happens in games because someone really likes it.

For VF, it's learning to reprioritize the skills in your fighting toolbox and really rearranging them to a different feel than the Street Fighter/Tekken type of gameplay. I think the ones that have the easiest time to start feeling comfortable to VF are the KoF players (and actually, some of the 3S players sorta). And they are already in a similar position as the VF players, small minority here in the US.

For the fighting game circles, I will admit you open more people up to trying VF when top players are playing it a lot and vouching for it. And you get similar effects when someone you identify with (either locally or a national star) shows success in the game outside of their scene.... For example, when I got 3rd place at Evo West, I got quite a bit more commitment from more Portland Street Fighter players to have a very serious go at Virtua Fighter. They were proud that a guy from Portland did alright in a tournament in California. Also, when more of the Seattle SF players got to know Yosuke more, while he was in Seattle, there was more VF activity as they realized who he was and his strength level compared to the whole country. But these are limited effects that stimulate and boost, but I've never seen them completely win over crowds for a long period of time. They definitely help and these are the times to capitalize.

The crazy thing about large quantities of people though... Sometimes it takes some weird eye-opener (even the wrong ones) in a big event to win people over.

I mean isn't it insane that Third Strike was the red-headed stepchild of the SRK community FOR YEARS... even John Choi telling me how much he didn't like the game during the CvS days... even after a video from the Midwest Championships (I think it was 2001?) sparked more interest, but it still faded back into "nobody (more specifically NY and Cali) plays Third Strike..."

And then Daigo parrying Wong's Chun-Li Super turnaround at Evo happens.... and the game becomes a hit in the US SRK scene and Omaha, Texas (and Portland), and Midwest aren't the only places to play 3S anymore. Suddenly the game I couldn't get a Cali player to play if I begged has weekly Ranbats and still has a lot of people playing it.

Go fig...

I think the closest VF5 has had to that moment was Chibita winning the SBO finals for his team. But of course the impact wasn't even close to the above example.

Now... we can also go back to stumbling blocks that have stifled VF growth in US and put the blame back on Sega...

VF1... Well people just didn't get it.

VF2... Big success (Sega Saturn, not a big success--I still love mine though--let's not forget that Tekken interest in US seemed to boom more after the success of Tekken 2 on Playstation and especially with Tekken 3, going full speed with Tekken Tag).

VF3... Okay this is the first disaster... Arcade was expensive as hell and no operator in the US wanted to carry the game because of its insane price. US players only got to play it rarely except some scenes and so no momentum carried from VF2 except for specific areas (Boston, Toronto, NYC, California, Vancouver BC, Chicago, and Seattle at least had scenes though). The price of the arcade almost killed VF alone during VF3... VF3tb came out on Dreamcast, but Soul Calibur graphically outshined it and SC was a US launch title. VF3 was also not so noob friendly (VF2 actually was noob friendly).

VF4 was a success and VF4 Evo on PS2 was a success. VF became popular during VF4/VF4 Evo. Let's give Tekken 4 some credit by turning off a lot of Tekken players and they scrambled to play VF. However, the moment everyone knew VF4 FT would never see light of day on console killed VF4 series as a competitor for events like Evo. Much like how there was dropped VF5 play after everyone knew there's a VF5R that's not coming to console.

VF5 comes out on PS3 and is "an exclusive..." (except the 360 version announcement happened like a week before the game came out in US on PS3). Lot of problems with this because very low adoption of PS3s at the time the game came out (the system was expensive, it was almost like the VF3 Arcade problem, but on console). Some of us here (including me) bought the PS3 because of VF5 though. And then you had a lot of people postpone their wanting to play the game with "Imma wait for it to come out on 360)." When it comes out on 360, people did play the game and it had online play. PS3 never got online play... So people that only had a PS3 weren't very happy and 360 VF5 players were doing okay for awhile (though of course some newcomers with dreams of being great saw how difficult that dream was when they played the game online). Funny story, I saw a person rage Voice Message Yosuke for using a broken tactic on him (Yosuke just kept elbowing the guy because he just kept attacking).

Well, let's say VF5R not coming to console killed growth and a chunk of userbase for VF5 in general.... And let's hope VF5FS helps (but maybe it'll just be a limited growth like VF3tb released on DC).

I'd like to see VF5FS come out long before Tekken Tag 2 and SxT/TxS. I guess the upside is, A LOT OF TEKKEN PLAYERS are not crazy about SxT/TxS. But VF5 FS should not be coming out within the Tekken Tag 2 window (or after). It should come out much before. (Unless Tekken Tag 2 becomes the new Tekken 4, then that would help VF5FS).

-Chanchai

 

Seriously nobody can really knock "shoryuken.com" (emphasis on shoryuken) for being a capcom centric fighting game website. It has been around for years, not as long as VFDC, but it's pretty old. There should be no surprise that they only show VF or any other non-capcom fighting game news that is actually news.

IPW and their crew. They are just a bunch of guys with video capture tech that started a website about fighting games that they like, and will be available to that respective community. Do we see them post weekly Tekken 6 matches or strategies on their front page? No. Do they post TTT 2 and other related games that are 100% confirmed to be released on console? Yes. So honestly there is nothing stopping anybody from doing the same.

So let's not point fingers and blame others in the community for not reporting news that does not exist. I mean that's just plain unreasonable .

Again if we are going to be mad, we need to be mad at the right people and that is ourselves and mostly Sega for knowing what is out there and still not taking action.

 

Double post...

 

Triple Post (figure I spare you at least one Chanchai wall of text... just one... err TWO! )

 

Seriously nobody can really knock "shoryuken.com" (emphasis on shoryuken) for being a capcom centric fighting game website. It has been around for years, not as long as VFDC, but it's pretty old. There should be no surprise that they only show VF or any other non-capcom fighting game news that is actually news.

IPW and their crew. They are just a bunch of guys with video capture tech that started a website about fighting games that they like, and will be available to that respective community. Do we see them post weekly Tekken 6 matches or strategies on their front page? No. Do they post TTT 2 and other related games that are 100% confirmed to be released on console? Yes. So honestly there is nothing stopping anybody from doing the same.

So let's not point fingers and blame others in the community for not reporting news that does not exist. I mean that's just plain unreasonable .

Again if we are going to be mad, we need to be mad at the right people and that is ourselves and mostly Sega for knowing what is out there and still not taking action.



Holy everybody posting at the same time Batman!

 

Nice post Kuju ^_^

 

I'm not really knocking them, per sé... I'm just tripped out how they wanted to be a mega-site for all fighting games, but at the same time, they still show heavy biased... I still respect them for doing what they're doing, but to just outright push people away from other scenes just because they don't like 'X' game is unreasonable...

Oh best believe I'm still mad at Sega of course... That goes without saying. They still have the 3 steps forward, 500 steps backwards approach and with FS here's hoping that the steps go forward sevenfold... Hopefully, they can fix things and completely take the title of best balanced fighter back...

 

... that's out on consoles.

Anyway does this revision have an official title or is it just FS: Revision 1?

 

It's not really that too though, it's like the front page articles particularly from Keits seem more like a blog than news.

Anyone else thtat posts an article, like say MrWizard, or Kineda, then it's all good.

With Keits his articles and news, he posts in the 1st person, so it's covered in personal and opinionated touch. It really doesn't matter what he says, opinion shouldn't be interjected with news and such.

It's bunch of combined things.

 

Well that is why we have VFDC to report/post/blog. It has been around forever and I believe other scenes have come to accept and respect that. Just like Zaibatsu and to a certain extent DoaCentral.

Man watching law & order shit is cold blooded boyeee.

 

I didn't mean for this to be blown out of proportion, or my words used to put this community under scrutiny. I was really feeling what slide had to say, and it is a shame that a game of such high quality with a great community have to always be swept under the rug. Even though I am not a major contributer or a regular, I lurk here as often as I am on my own site, and I see the struggles that you guys are constantly going through. I am very empathetic of your plight. My frustrations emerged while reading the later part of this thread, and I guess I needed to vent.

With that said, the Doa series is always under scrutiny, even when it does many of the fighting game aspects just as well or better than other fighters. I know its not the perfect example of what a "fighting game" should be, but the whole mantra of the series being nothing more than tits and ass is rather tired and contrived. Especially when you have Soul Calibur trumping Doa by leaps and bounds in that department(yet no one says anything about it). Our communities are stigmatized at both ends of the spectrum. VF being too deep and hard to play, and Doa being to shallow and not tournament worthy. Both which are not true.

 

Id like to apologize to the vfdc community..im sorry for goin to srk and making a thread and somewhat attacking the srk forum members when most of my beef was with keits...i hope u guys can forgive me..


i just felt disrespected that our vf5 is always being looked down upon by someone..

sorry for lashing out like that

 

Don't forget about Minneapolis!!! Picadilly Circus at Ridgedale Mall baby!!!

 

Two members of the Colorado community bought a FT cab just to play the game.

Too bad it was before my VF career =(

 

i remain somewhat optimistic. i do believe however that the international scene needs to emphasize more on vanilla C.

 

Orlando FL had VF3! Whooot! TEAM ROX! Hydra what?!?

 

My bad to JHow and TheWorstPlayer. BTW, thanks to Jhow for sharing his mooks with me in NYC--back in the day I videotaped all of those mooks so I could check them out via video lol.

Well... I could say that technically there was a VF3 machine in Portland... but it was in a movie theater, behind the ticket box--so you had to buy a movie ticket to go play on the thing... Sadly, that movie theater is next door to the arcade that has been the center of Portland's fighting game community for a long time!

Fortunately, it later moved to Portland State University. I was unaware of it at the time, but eventually it did build a small group of VF3 players in Portland. I was able to play with a couple of those VF3 players when I built the Portland VF3tb scene back up in the Dreamcast days and great times were had!

As for the fate of that lone VF3 machine... it later got moved to a bowling alley where its buttons and sticks broke and were never fixed again (as far as I knew). Sadly, VF3 machine at Seattle Gameworks had a similar fate...

While reminiscing on VF history (and suddenly thinking about more California stories)... That VF3 machine I played on against John Choi was VF3tb I think at SVGL. Also, I played against Sirlin on VF3 in Fulsom, CA during the B5 tournament (Street Fighter tournaments).

And one of my best memories was meeting Jason Cha at SVGL and playing Virtua Fighter 4 Test (the test version of VF4) with him. Awesome guy, awesome time, and an awesomely unique opportunity to play a beta version of VF. I mean, they tried giving Jacky a Billy Idol voice (sounds good on paper, but you later realize you end up really missing Jacky's umm... not so manly voice). And the game was way different from how VF4 eventually turned out (I can't remember all the details but I posted about it on these forums somewhere in the archives).

 

Actually there was a VF3 machine in Delaware, it was inside a university dorm of all places. Why the hell they bought it is still beyond me. It got 0 play time.

 

Did you get the highest score?