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VF5 El Blaze Thread

Discussion in 'El Blaze' started by supergolden, Jul 20, 2006.

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  1. Shukumine2

    Shukumine2 Member

    I like El Blaze! It was about time they put Lucha Libre in Fighting game!
     
    Shukumine2, Sep 26, 2007
    #41
  2. bonuskun

    bonuskun Member

    Against Lau types who PPP constantly, what's my best quick option after I stuff one with a 2P? If I go for the knee, PPP beats it out. Should I just PPK back?
     
    bonuskun, Nov 9, 2007
    #42
  3. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    This is where a little bit of frame understanding can help you answer your own question.

    If you 2P Lau and it's a Counter Hit, you get +7 frames advantage. If you do a knee immediately after, which executes in 17f, you should beat out any of your opponent's attacks that are 10f (17-7) or slower.

    Lau's P series executes in 11f (which is slower than 10!), so your knee should win if your 2P CH him.

    If your 2P was just a Normal Hit, you get +4 advantage. In order to beat Lau's P, you need to use attacks that are (11+4) 15 frames or faster. Here, a knee will lose to Lau because it's too slow, which is what may have been happening to you.

    Instead, after a 2P hit, go with something like 3P, 3P+K, 2_6P+K, etc. I'm just reciting stuff off El Blaze's command list on VFDC by checking the Exe column for attacks that are 15 frames or faster.

    When you understand how advantage and disadvantage works, then you're able to construct your own flow charts and set pieces, such as "what to do after 2P hits...".

    This is a powerful skill to have.
     
    Myke, Nov 9, 2007
    #43
  4. bonuskun

    bonuskun Member

    Thanks Myke. I do understand how frames work, been playing fighters for a long time (all the VFs, but only VF2 extensively). However, I didn't realize that this site had the frame charts up. That's helped massively. I'm trying to work 2_6P+K and 3P into my game more now.
     
    bonuskun, Nov 10, 2007
    #44
  5. vftwain

    vftwain Member

    Any tips for entering this combo in?

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    Im on an arcade stick so im reaching my barrier...heh.
     
    vftwain, Mar 25, 2008
    #45
  6. nou

    nou Well-Known Member

    did you try taping G after the first standing P?
     
    nou, Mar 25, 2008
    #46
  7. nou

    nou Well-Known Member

    or after each standing P? I have sucess wuth it when the Knee lands on CH
     
    nou, Mar 25, 2008
    #47
  8. vftwain

    vftwain Member

    I havent tried that...but you got it on ch..right. Hmm...well this combo is from an ealier version so the combo might not be possible on normal hit now....ill try what you said.
     
    vftwain, Mar 26, 2008
    #48
  9. vftwain

    vftwain Member

    I've gotten the combe to work i think...
    I entered it in this way though...
    df,df+k p, p,(slight pause)f+pk
    i5 was 5 hit and 54 dmg....
     
    vftwain, Mar 26, 2008
    #49
  10. vftwain

    vftwain Member

    Seriosuly it alot easier just to do df,df,+k p, f+pk

    and guess what you get 56 pts of damage to the proper timing version of :df,df+k p, p,(slight pause)f+pk which gives you 57 pt of damage ughhhh
     
    vftwain, Mar 26, 2008
    #50
  11. NGKrush

    NGKrush Well-Known Member

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    why don't you just do 4kpp or 3P+kpk strings after ws knee launcher? no timing involved and i think it's better damage. as far as i know no juggles have changed for blaze over the different versions.
     
    NGKrush, Mar 27, 2008
    #51
  12. Gernburgs

    Gernburgs Well-Known Member

    This should be your combo for heavy weights... You can do more damage with other follow ups against lighter characters if you land the Rocket Knee.
     
    Gernburgs, Mar 27, 2008
    #52
  13. vftwain

    vftwain Member

    Yeah 4kpp is better but im not sure who it work on hahahah

    But if works on akira in both stances i guess its standard

    Yeah i kinda knew this i was trying to get the combo dfdf+k p, p f+pk to work for me but it turn out it very difficult to time and that the it only does the 1 point less than the heavy wait combo...so do dfdf+k p, f+pk instead of the combo above.....thanks for the help
     
    vftwain, Mar 27, 2008
    #53
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