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That one knee wolf got lp'ed out of was the key point. He was afraid to knee again in that corner. I wonder if minami caught on to that and that's why he did so many times....

 

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Srider said:

That one knee wolf got lp'ed out of was the key point. He was afraid to knee again in that corner. I wonder if minami caught on to that and that's why he did so many times....

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<--After some more thought, some of this sounds wrong. so Edited.

Seems like Minami's doing those after DE or Single palm-DE gets blocked,

1. a fastest timing low P
2. SDE
3. ARE

He seems to be doing ARE instead of EDTEG, and mixup of ARE + opposite nitaku IMO is the best offensive option in disadvantage(=the winner).

SDE'd be for anti anti-ARE, which kinda makes sense.

 

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I think this is a pretty good example how the game is unbalanced at higher levels. Wolf really needed luck to win there, with his slower and risky attacks vs Akira's faster and safer attacks. Wolf's big throwsare made useless by minami's defensive skills. I honestly don't see how he could have done anything but to freeze. Every attack he toss out could be a round ender if missed.

 

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Shang said:

I honestly don't see how he could have done anything but to freeze. Every attack he toss out could be a round ender if missed.

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Do you mean end of first round? I don't understand what do you mean by "I honestly don't see how he could have done anything but to freeze" , freeze = die, he can do something, you have to do something to win, sure an attack missed COULD mean round ender, just like anyone VS anyone with not much life left, but did you look at Minami's life bar? if one of wolf's attack land, it most likely will finish off Minami, I know it's easier said to be down, but saying freeze is the only thing he can do is laughable, I mean just lok at round 2.

As for throw, I think theEmaaru 3tb showed us the awsome power of wolf's throws in round 3. IMO Emaaru 3tb has done very well, but if you think he freeze because "Akira is too strong for wolf to do anything" That just doesn't seems to be an good excuse to me.

 

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Mirage said:
I don't understand what do you mean…

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Mirage,
First you say you don’t understand what I said, and then you disagree with those things you just said you don’t understand. How can you make a valid argument from something you don’t understand? I suggest you make a print out of my post, take it to someone who is proficient in English and able to translate to your native language: stupidity, and have him or her explain it to you; then go play akira and wolf for a few years… and then make a reply ok?
Thanks.

 

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Mirage said:


Do you mean end of first round? I don't understand what do you mean by "I honestly don't see how he could have done anything but to freeze" , freeze = die, he can do something, you have to do something to win, sure an attack missed COULD mean round ender, just like anyone VS anyone with not much life left, but did you look at Minami's life bar? if one of wolf's attack land, it most likely will finish off Minami, I know it's easier said to be down, but saying freeze is the only thing he can do is laughable, I mean just lok at round 2.

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Well, Akira's is even on block. That means since Akira stays crouch after the move, DBL palm will beat everything that Wolf could do. Since Wolf's backing the wall in that round, if he got hit by a DBL palm, it's a round ender for Wolf,too. IMO, the situation is more than 50% on Akira's favor even without a wall, but since a wall was involved in that particular situation, the Wolf's decision of trying to be defensive does make much sense to me.

Generally if you get to block that overhead palm of Akira, there's not much you can do. If Akira does a low P after it, all you can do is getting even with your low P which is not that worth trying cause DBL palm can crash that low P as well.

 

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, DE, and sglpm can all be roared. low P, dblpm and SDE cant, wolf (including his life range) have aleast 50% chance of success so i would risk it imo.

he could have also tried screw hook after blocking any of those safe attacks (other than the overhead smash which could be ETEGed or sommin), minami wasnt leaving any time gaps near the end so he would have been pwnt by his own disadvantage doing dashing elbows no need to freeze up, especially after two overhead smashes or he'll eventually get thrown like he did.

i think minami should get kudos for pressuring his phsycology tho. i mean the wolf's confidence at the beginning of the round is such a contrast.

 

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Shang said:

I think this is a pretty good example how the game is unbalanced at higher levels. Wolf really needed luck to win there, with his slower and risky attacks vs Akira's faster and safer attacks. Wolf's big throwsare made useless by minami's defensive skills. I honestly don't see how he could have done anything but to freeze. Every attack he toss out could be a round ender if missed.

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strange and here i thought this was just really good yomi on minami's part, even though i'm not a really big fan of his playstyle. given the amount of life minami had left at the end of that first round, risking a dblpm at anytime would have meant a round end for him as well. blocking or dodging a potential dbpm would have meant a free , (which i think would have been more then enough to take off that bit of life). i concur with srider here. that interrupted knee was the turning point imo. after that the wolf player just seemed to go totally on defense waiting for a clear shot to start flowcharting (which minami never gave /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif). excellent match overall.

although i generally agree that the game is slightly (just slightly) imbalanced at high levels, i disagree in that this was a good example of it.

 

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Allow the dumb question...I have WMV9, and I can't play those ASX movies normally...they are all jumpy and stuff..My internet connection is fine. I used to dl vf videos from www.vfevo.com but it hasn't been updated for a long long time...
Every help would be appreciated. =)

(sorry for changing subject..)

 

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*waits patiently for the tschikumo Pai matches*

 

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Mirage said:
I don't understand what do you mean…

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Mirage,
First you say you don’t understand what I said, and then you disagree with those things you just said you don’t understand. How can you make a valid argument from something you don’t understand? I suggest you make a print out of my post, take it to someone who is proficient in English and able to translate to your native language: stupidity, and have him or her explain it to you; then go play akira and wolf for a few years… and then make a reply ok?
Thanks.

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First of it's very lame to try to quote only a part of a sentence to try to make other people look bad. You are tring to misunderstand, you are trying to mislead.

Second English is not my first language, however, that does not mean you can falme me to no end without even give an argument, so STFU already if you just want o falme me. As far as the what I said, it was not I don't understand what you are saying, I said"I don't understand what do you mean by "I honestly don't see how he could have done anything but to freeze" because I don't know how can you say he can't do any thing but freeze while he could have knee once more or LP or use other attack, and he does have a good chance finish Minami, in fact we know if he had tried, he would have won, but like I said it's easier said to be down, but still, he can do something and had a good chance to win.

As for Double Plam will beat anything after a blocked +, ture but if wolf blocked Double Plam, Minami is screwed, now Minami kind of know the wolf will freeze after the Knee being contered by LP, he keeped using + to preesure him and won, good yomi on Minami's side. But How does this show the game is unblanced?

 

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As for Double Plam will beat anything after a blocked +, ture but if wolf blocked Double Plam, Minami is screwed, now Minami kind of know the wolf will freeze after the Knee being contered by LP, he keeped using + to preesure him and won, good yomi on Minami's side. But How does this show the game is unblanced?

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Cause wolf doesn't have a very gainful option to punish akira in the particular situation in the clip. Like what TBBwolf said, he could have risked a RAW, but it won't beat some of akira's better options. This demonstrates a clear advantage that akira has over wolf. However, to me wolf have always meant bigger risk and bigger reward, so to me, I would have took a gamble with that amount of life left. Personally I would have tried p,k or uf+p at some point. Still, it's rather unfair for akira to be able to constantly apply even guessing situations in that particular setup.

 

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omg leifei beat pai!!!

things are looking better for japan already . . .

 

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Nice pai, maybe a bit to over abusive with the + though.

 

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it's all about +

 

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As for Double Plam will beat anything after a blocked +, ture but if wolf blocked Double Plam, Minami is screwed.

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i think that's what he tried to do hence blocking two overhead smashes. i also think minami knew not to risk it and continued with the same *safe* attack. good choice on both sides, i think after that, wolf really did have the disadvantage hence being finished with a simple throw. i think his only option was to eteg with being ownt by a delayed attack as his only fail.

tough situation... /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

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As for Double Plam will beat anything after a blocked +, ture but if wolf blocked Double Plam, Minami is screwed.

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i think that's what he tried to do hence blocking two overhead smashes. i also think minami knew not to risk it and continued with the same *safe* attack. good choice on both sides, i think after that, wolf really did have the disadvantage hence being finished with a simple throw. i think his only option was to eteg with being ownt by a delayed attack as his only fail.

tough situation... /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Wolf player think about the double palm and decided to block, but Minami guessed what Wolf player thinks, don't forget he is risking a conter by using so many + at even, he is one step ahead of the wolf player in the mind game, that's why I say good yomi for Minami rather than Akira > Wolf.

 

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Wolf player think about the double palm and decided to block, but Minami guessed what Wolf player thinks, don't forget he is risking a conter by using so many + at even, he is one step ahead of the wolf player in the mind game, that's why I say good yomi for Minami rather than Akira > Wolf.

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Well, think about it this way. If you switched wolf and akira in that situation. Could wolf have applied the same type of pressure to Akira? Not really... yes it can be argued as good yomi on minami's part, but you can also say it's a type of percentage abuse on minami's part. Why is it fair for akira to be able to dblpm to beat many of wolf's options after the ? The only reason why minami was able to apply that guessing game is because of akira's superior choice of move options in that situation.