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Version C Tier List

Discussion in 'Arcade' started by Jide, Nov 4, 2007.

  1. Jeneric

    Jeneric Well-Known Member

    Lei Fei is nowhere near having the highest combo damage.
     
  2. KtotheG

    KtotheG Well-Known Member

    Nowhere near? Must be my misconception then, but when I play ken hes done a 60%+ combo on me at times.

    Still, heavyweights should have the highest damage potential, otherwise its ridiculous.

    look, I'm not saying the game is broken.. or even unbalanced to the point that tiers overcome skill.

    I'm just saying that by logic only, the big guys should be doing the most damage, and progressively less as you move down the weight divisions.
     
  3. Jeneric

    Jeneric Well-Known Member

    Uhm, no, lol. You're way, way off. Lei Fei's combo damage is average, if not even below average. And no one has 60% combos except for some very extreme wall combos.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Still, heavyweights should have the highest damage potential, otherwise its ridiculous. </div></div>I disagree, since characters can have a different gameplay style even if they're a light/middle/heavyweight which can validate having more or less combo damage then average, which is then compensated for in other areas.

    That said, have you even checked up on the kind of damage potential Wolf and Jeff have? Seriously?
     
  4. KtotheG

    KtotheG Well-Known Member

    I thought some more about it, and I realised I was confusing multiple issues and not articulating my thoughts properly. Namely it kept crossing my mind about how old men and skinny guys can be the best in the game if its realistic... then lol I realised if everything made sense there wouldnt be floaty juggles and flying through the air for a down attack.

    I understand this now, and thanks for your input, it helped me greatly.
     
  5. Fulan

    Fulan Well-Known Member

    probably because you didn't struggle out of a stagger, or didn't techroll.
     
  6. KtotheG

    KtotheG Well-Known Member

    Yeah.. thats probably it. He did the crane kick that staggered and proceeded to combo from there for big damage.
     
  7. Tricky

    Tricky "9000; Eileen Flow Dojoer" Content Manager Eileen

    it's my understanding the tiers are based on of risk reward. He has to take less risk to get a decent amount of dmg.
     
  8. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

    PSN:
    Myke623
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    Since I play Ken regularly, then I can just imagine what kind of pain he's putting you through, because I go through it too /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

    For people new to VF, Lei Fei can be a monster to deal with, purely because they're not good at struggling from a stagger (yet). Because of this, Lei can deal huge damage to you. For example, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif CH (hold /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif) -> (Doku Ritsu) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> (Doku Ritsu) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif does pretty big damage. Similarly for Doku Ritsu /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif stagger.

    Another noob-killer is Lei's Hai Shiki /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif that gives large advantage on Guard.
     
  9. Jerky

    Jerky Well-Known Member

    I have to go ahead and disagree with the folks on here saying Wolf and Jeff don't have damaging combos.

    They can kill you in 2 or 3 guesses - that's it. Jeffry has a good bounce starter, knee, wall ability, etc.

    Wolf is dangerous in any throw direction and also possesses wall ability like Jeff.
     
  10. KtotheG

    KtotheG Well-Known Member

    But Jerky, its easier said than done creating a 50/50 situation with the Heavies.

    My take on it is.
    Even then, you guess right then you net 70 from Splash (or 80 from giant swing) or ~90 from a combo starting from a big launcher like 6K.

    You guess wrong, you eat a ~70dmg combo and have to work to recreate that situation again, which aint a walk in the park.
     
  11. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    LOL that shit is impossible to struggle out of with lag...
     
  12. LegendaryHero90

    LegendaryHero90 Well-Known Member

    its not totally impossible.

    ive sruggled out of lots of attacks like that.

    but if you think struggling is hard, try doing EMTEG with lag.

    i swear its not funny how most of my inputs dont register.

    (same goes with the ground throws and low throws)
     
  13. Evil_Intent666

    Evil_Intent666 Member

    PSN:
    kikdwittheleft
    XBL:
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    It's funny, because the very people in the A and S ranks are the people that give me the most trouble.
     
  14. Chefboy_OB

    Chefboy_OB Well-Known Member

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    Thats you man. My main adversary is Sarah. I don't have any real personal problem with any of the high tiers...excluding the occasional Kage. Tricky son of a...(not you Tricky...the gay ninja)
     
  15. erdraug

    erdraug Well-Known Member Content Mgr Vanessa

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    You're not alone Chefboy, i have problems with Sarah too. <s>I'm begining to fear that Sarah is a bad matchup for Vanessa in general.</s> Bah, when two sexy girls fight, everybody is a winner! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif

    Excluding throw-based setups (pedigree gives me nightmares) i'd guess that a fully charged OS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif > /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif; /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif combo on lightweights can take out more than half their lifebar too, right?
     
  16. Temjin

    Temjin Well-Known Member

    Does the learning curve factored in?

    What are the exact criteria?
     
  17. Fulan

    Fulan Well-Known Member

    the list is pretty much based on Risk/rewards.

    I don't think learning curve is considered.
     
  18. Sorias

    Sorias Well-Known Member

    Yeah, the tier list is just a determination of how much damage a character can produce while opening themselves to the least risk of counterattack.
     
  19. Shinn_Akira

    Shinn_Akira Well-Known Member

    I believe that he is easily S tier. his damage potential is def up there with lei. but he is so basic to use. he has alot of good tools as well. guard crush/good throws/insanely high damage potential.

    what do you guys think??
     
  20. Gernburgs

    Gernburgs Well-Known Member

    <u>The Arcadia Magazine Tier List for Version C:</u>

    S+ - Lei Fei, Kage, Vanessa, Eileen

    A - Lau[/size], Shun, Pai, Wolf, Brad, Akira

    B - Goh, Aoi, Jeff, Jacky, Blaze

    C - Lion, Sarah


    I think this list is pretty accurate after playing VF5 for a while now... Lau is the best character in tier A but falls JUST short of S tier...

    I find the the other A tier characters to be very, very strong as well... However, EVERY character on that list has absolutely destroyed me many times. All of the characters are just deadly when played well.
     

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