Version C Tier List

Yeah Slide and xFlamingo Queenx always make me wonder why Sarah is bottom tier.

 

I think it's just because she has to combo you after everything to really do good damage as opposed to other characters who have better dmg on "single" moves. She is a combo master though which is why getting beaten by her looks so cool. I never mind losing to Sarah cause she's a whirlwind of pain and it takes a lot of offensive skill.

 

Tiers don't really matter at the Western level because the best Lei Fei/Kage/Eileen/Pai/other-top-character players will lose the vast majority of the time to Chibita's Lion, a supposedly bottom tier character. Tiers matter when players of that level play against each other (though I think it's a different tier list; for example, Lion will likely be top tier for beginners and Shun low tier), but the Arcadia tier list is NOT an obstacle to being a dominant player in the U.S. Adam is a great example -- my knowledge of the U.S. scene is outdated, but isn't he still one of the best players in the U.S.? Playing a C-level character?

Srider -- I'm very surprised you thought Kage's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif combos on minor counter because this is a major change for Kage in VF5.

Gernburgs -- no idea who you are, but I'm pretty comfortable with my VF ego, thanks. I'm semi-retired now but when I was in the U.S. I did more than OK with both Kage and Jeffry. Also if you follow my posting history you'll see that I never at any time denied that Kage is top tier character; I have in the past called for Kage to be weakened from version to version.

However, I have consistently stated that pointing to a tier list to explain a loss is just your inadequacy as a player and I have backed it up by winning with a supposedly low tier character. You are welcome to do the same with Kage -- quit whoever it is you're playing and let's see you make some noise in WCG with Kage. In fact, I'll make the same plea to all those who believe that the Arcadia tier list is the guide to winning. Just win WCG with Kage and shut people like me up.

 

I think that for most of us the tiers are irrelevant. I have to believe that the people who would assign characters to "tiers" are so hardcore that they know the properties of just about every move. If everyone had basic knowledge of every character, the tiers would be more relevant.

For me, Brad and Eileen and Shun seem godly because every time they do something, it is like a journey into the unknown. I really have no clue what they are doing. I can beat most of these players on xbl because of my offense. I really can't even enjoy fighting the best players who use these characters in VF5 because this version of the game is so unintuitive in terms of the properties of moves. I just get confused and frustrated.

Sarah players always bitch about their character, but how many of the people that they play against even know which of her moves leave her at huge disadvantage? I don't. I have had trouble with some Sarah players who play keep away until they do a move that, say, gives advantage on block and puts them in flamingo. And of course they are aggressive in oki situations. I think this style is very hard to deal with unless you know her movelist pretty well. That style of play, pacifist until at huge advantage, is effective with anyone, but Sarah can really use it well.

 

Thats why im glad they stop her ability rush in out of the Flamingo in R. Now you have to play with smarts.

You hit it right on the head though Happy.I only got to play against you one timeand the connection we had was'nt good at all cause i could'nt even put up a fight with Brad. Maybe next timei remove the Router so we could rock a little cause i hate Lau and you are a good Lau player so that makes for drama lol!.

AS far a Eileen goes i could thank Fulaani and Fly Gamer for helping me get a grasp on her. She no longer the big problem i use to have cause i actually handled them pretty well with their strong offenses. All that tier nonsense is inaccurate cause its all about adapting period.

 

Sometimes I wonder just how shitty VF would be if all of the characters could score a ring out ALL the way from the center of the ring... hmmm.

 

lol glad i could help but we played like once? and it was laggy yo.

 

All you have to do is pick Kage (or Dural =P) if you want to have that option. I sense much fear in you, join the dark side /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

 

^ Amen. Though I wouldn't necessarily wins don't matter strictly for being online, but there certainly is more ambiguity in an online victory. And you can often tell who is better overall or has more knowledge of the game online, but not always I suppose.

Anyway, to many, that's all tier lists are SDS. Ranking estimations based on a characters overall matchups when compared to other characters and their matchups.

Here's my stance I posted near the beginning of this thread, and it hasn't changed because, well, it's the truth, regardless of how you slice it.

To ignore that tiers exist in fighting games, this includes VF, is just ignorant and or stubborn.

 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All fighting games have tiers. There is not one perfectly balanced fighter that exists where every character is the same tier. </div></div>
Karate Champ son! stop hating on the gems my dude.

 

Karate Champ son! stop hating on the gems my dude. </div></div>Karate Champ FTW! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

 

Despite these big arguments on the tier list, there's almost unanimous agreement that Lei Fei is top of the food chain, right?

 

Almost?

 

VF has tiers WTF?!

 

some good discussions in the thread. my suspicions proved correct, these are dark days for Jacky. well, at least we got guard cancel on 6k. I would kill for an improved 2_3p...gotta work so hard just to get a 50+ combo. Played Lei as main in evo, might pick him up again and see what all the hubbub is about.

 

there is however unanimous agreement that eileen is top tier

 

Sorry if I'm asking for the obvious. But out of curiosity, what exactly is the rationale for Lei Fei being top tier? If possible, please use examples. Thanks!

 

No hitboxes?