Vanessa's Makeover.

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ice-9 said:

Try searching for it!

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Crap I wasnt finished editing my post yet! /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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P.S. Out the women Saiten mentioned, I'd pick Audree. She attracts me the most for her overall features. (Plus, I know she's a freak )

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For me, it's a hard choice, but I think I'd pick Vanessa blue.

freaks make the world go round!

 

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tonyfamilia said:

I think that most people are unknowingly brainwashed by these subtle, subconscious hints that indicate that black is bad and white is good. Example: A black cat crossing your path is bad luck, does that make a white cat good luck?; blackmail is illegal, blackmail-black male; People wear black to a funeral, but to wear white at your wedding signifies purity.
Think about it, when you think of angels, do blond-haired, white-clothes wearing white people come to mind? You just might have been influenced to not think of a Black, Hispanic or even Asian angel come to mind instead. Just a theory.
That was a good observation from Vith Dos that maybe her tan was wearing off cuz my own skin tone goes from dark to light depending on where I reside and what activities I'm engaging in.

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Black people are not "black" they are brown. So that doesnt pan out

Angles dont look like humans. The only other being that looks like humans is God.

 

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The only other being that looks like humans is God.

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and apes.

 

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Saiten said:

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tonyfamilia said:

I think that most people are unknowingly brainwashed by these subtle, subconscious hints that indicate that black is bad and white is good. Example: A black cat crossing your path is bad luck, does that make a white cat good luck?; blackmail is illegal, blackmail-black male; People wear black to a funeral, but to wear white at your wedding signifies purity.
Think about it, when you think of angels, do blond-haired, white-clothes wearing white people come to mind? You just might have been influenced to not think of a Black, Hispanic or even Asian angel come to mind instead. Just a theory.
That was a good observation from Vith Dos that maybe her tan was wearing off cuz my own skin tone goes from dark to light depending on where I reside and what activities I'm engaging in.

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Black people are not "black" they are brown. So that doesnt pan out

Angles dont look like humans. The only other being that looks like humans is God.

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Black people are not black? So I guess you call them "brown people". On that same note I could say white people are not "white" they're sort of yellowish.
It's how they are referred to, when police are looking for a suspect they dont say "brown male" or "yellowish male" it's black, white or hispanic,etc. When you hear the word black male the first thing that comes to mind is blackmail, the crime... let me ask you something, if you had been brainwashed your whole life, would you know? Some people wake up inside of their dreams and once they realize that they are IN a dream they can break rules and laws that govern real life but most people dont wake up inside of their dreams, they believe that what is happening is real and proceed to keep dreaming.
If all of your life you hear phrases like "blackballed" and "the pot calling the kettle black" would you know what kind effect simple phrases such as these would have on your young mind? Do you know how easy it is to fool the human brain, specially at a younger age? Ever heard of black-ops hypnosis? If angels dont look like humans, what do they look like?
But back to the subject at hand, I agree with whoever posted that the Japanese culture can be very racist, even sometimes against themselves. Perfect example is the Final Fantasy series, the brainwashing of "blonde, clear-eyed, white people are more beautiful" really shows in the design of all of their games. You will never see the main character ever be black in that series.
Not saying that AM2 is racist, but they have just helped feed the stereotype that black is ugly, just look at Jeffry lol

P.S. This is all just one of my theories, please do not take offense, as many do, at me saying that most of us have been brainwashed since young, thank you.

 

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Black people are not black? So I guess you call them "brown people". On that same note I could say white people are not "white" they're sort of yellowish.
It's how they are referred to, when police are looking for a suspect they dont say "brown male" or "yellowish male" it's black, white or hispanic,etc. When you hear the word black male the first thing that comes to mind is blackmail, the crime... let me ask you something, if you had been brainwashed your whole life, would you know? Some people wake up inside of their dreams and once they realize that they are IN a dream they can break rules and laws that govern real life but most people dont wake up inside of their dreams, they believe that what is happening is real and proceed to keep dreaming.
If all of your life you hear phrases like "blackballed" and "the pot calling the kettle black" would you know what kind effect simple phrases such as these would have on your young mind? Do you know how easy it is to fool the human brain, specially at a younger age? Ever heard of black-ops hypnosis? If angels dont look like humans, what do they look like?
But back to the subject at hand, I agree with whoever posted that the Japanese culture can be very racist, even sometimes against themselves. Perfect example is the Final Fantasy series, the brainwashing of "blonde, clear-eyed, white people are more beautiful" really shows in the design of all of their games. You will never see the main character ever be black in that series.
Not saying that AM2 is racist, but they have just helped feed the stereotype that black is ugly, just look at Jeffry lol

P.S. This is all just one of my theories, please do not take offense, as many do, at me saying that most of us have been brainwashed since young, thank you.

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No, they’re called “black people†but their skin isn’t the same color as black crayon. =/ What white person you know has the same skin color as a sheet of paper? None. That’s why your logic doesn’t make sense. Sure the words blackmail and black male sound the same… What I’m trying to say is who ever came up with the terms “black people†and “white people†are really stupid, because they changed the definition of the colors.

Black doenst = brown
And while doesn’t = peach

So logically when you think of black and white people you don’t think of good and evil because neither is really that color. It’s just a (stupid) term people use to describe them.

FF7 racist? I don’t know about that. FF7 had one of the best black main characters (yes he was a main character) ever made in a game. Barret was awesome.

As for angles, I don’t think the bible ever says what they look like. But I think they all look different. The bible does tell what Satin (he used to be an angle) looked like. He’s made out of a bunch of shiny jewels.


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And apes

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Apes don’t look like humans…

 

Guys,

This thread is going dangerously off topic. Let’s try to keep it civil and in relation to the initial argument, shall we?

If you get what I’m saying then you don’t need to post that you do, either. OK?

 

this thread is so damn pointless,
Hey guys guess what, if you really dont like the new vanessa, you can change your character!!! WOW!!! Or even better yet another fighting game where "black women" are properly portrayed by Japanese people. Isnt the white hair a dead giveaway which market they're trying to please. Or do you guys just feel guilty spending $5 over lube and napkins.

I cant believe people care about a virtual characters appearance so much. . . .

 

You’re just being asinine, PhoenixDth. I don’t even use Vanessa yet I started this topic to get to the underlining reasons over her redesign and how people felt about that change. It’s hardly a pointless issue if it’s discussed with a sense of tact and depth.

You may not care for this debate, fine, yet you’re only appeasing your ego by posting that you don’t. “Sighâ€Â, I think we’ve got a fair deal of mileage out of this anyway... I thank everyone who took the time to seriously share their opinions on this matter.

 

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PhoenixDth said:

this thread is so damn pointless...

...I cant believe people care about a virtual characters appearance so much. . . .

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I can't believe you're having such a violent reaction to this thread.

Relax. Don't read what's in here.

 

when people start yelling out RACIST over a person thats not even real and just assumed to be black, (no one is even sure if she is black) thats when I have problems. Seriously what is the meaning to all this. What are you guys trying to prove.

 

I don't think it's pointless. It is inspiring thought provoking conversation about what kind of thought process goes behind making games. Let 'em vent I say. (even if one opinion sounds really far fetched)

 

there is only one thought process
How can we make the most money from our target audience, with minimal effort. Business is Business.

 

There are people who are paid to think that way, and then there are people who are paid to be creative. Come on man you know it's not that black and white.

 

again I repeat How can we make the most money from our target audience.

Sega knows its fans want or more like "demand" a new system upgrade or basically a whole new game = creative. That will make the most money.

Namco knows that rehashing tekken 3 over and over again will make the most money.

Its all relative to the company and how it will bring revenue.

 

Funny story. I was here in the office at Louie's downloading a couple VF5 Vane matches for William & Richard while my daughter Dawn and I waited for our nachos to get ready. Vanessa pops up in her intro taunt and all us boys go nuts cause she's so freakin' sexy now. I mean we are hooting and hollering. We watch the match, notice Vanessa's got a big fat knee now and then Dawn and I get our nachos. Later on, driving in the car Dawn (13) asks me...

"So was that porn we were watching back there?"
"HUH? Porn? What? No, those were replays, you've seen them before."
"I thought so but I wasn't sure."
"Why, causa the way we..."
"Yeah cause of how y'all said she was fine now and stuff, I thought it might be porn."
"No, Dawn, that wasn't porn."
"Good. "
"So tell me, when you thought it might be porn did you wonder why the big fuss over porn?"
"Kinda. I was all, what's the big deal? But at the same time I'm not supposed to watch porn, so I was kinda worried."
"Nothing to worry about Dawn. That was just VF5."

 

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PhoenixDth said:

this thread is so damn pointless,
Hey guys guess what, if you really dont like the new vanessa, you can change your character!!! WOW!!! Or even better yet another fighting game where "black women" are properly portrayed by Japanese people. Isnt the white hair a dead giveaway which market they're trying to please. Or do you guys just feel guilty spending $5 over lube and napkins.

I cant believe people care about a virtual characters appearance so much. . . .

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??? If this thread is "so damn pointless" wouldnt it be "pointless" to keep posting on it, what are you trying to prove? Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one, and even though I dont agree with yours, I respect it but even though I have seen a lot of, in my opinion, "pointless" threads I just proceeded to keep it moving (k.i.m.), I mean, why even post?. Let's face it, most people notice and they do care when some characters get a makeover that, in their opinion, is less than flattering, you or others might like it or might not care but there are those that might like to express their views and opinions about it, is that really so bad? You say find a fighting game where black women are properly portrayed by Japanese people, if such a game existed I dont know if we would have such a problem with Vane's downsizing and lighter skin than when she first debuted, like Adio said they had it right the first time. And what the hell is up with "Or do you guys just feel guilty spending $5 over lube and napkins." ??? Where did that come from?! Anyway, you cant believe that people care so much about their characters appearance well would it matter to you if they wore swatizkas, kkk hoods, or the male characters wore dresses and the females wore garbage bags? It matters to some of us how our characters sound, look and act, believe it.

 

Phoenix, its a BLACK thing. You wouldn't understand. heh heh /versus/images/graemlins/indifferent.gif

 

"But back to the lecture at hand"- Dr. Dre
I do agree that is all about the bucks and not a totally racial motive behind their decision. They are trying to draw in more people and I do understand that sometimes companies will do whatever it takes... I personally wouldnt mind if Vanessa, Sarah, Aoi and specially Pai started wearing a little less clothes like the Tekken girls... I know it's kind of ignorant of me to say but I wouldnt mind as much that kind of "selling out". /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

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tonyfamilia said:

"But back to the lecture at hand"- Dr. Dre
I do agree that is all about the bucks and not a totally racial motive behind their decision. They are trying to draw in more people and I do understand that sometimes companies will do whatever it takes... I personally wouldnt mind if Vanessa, Sarah, Aoi and specially Pai started wearing a little less clothes like the Tekken girls... I know it's kind of ignorant of me to say but I wouldnt mind as much that kind of "selling out". /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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I just hope SEGA makes it so you can unlock a upgraded verson of Vanessa's VF4 model. If they do that then I wouldnt care so much. (unless they took the model off in later releases.

 

To let me state it clearly.
I'm trying to point out that you guys have nothing better to do than accuse each other of whos being the BIGGER RACIST. Hiding behind the fact that Vanessa is a virtual character does not make this any better. This thread is filthy and disgusting and now definately in a racist flame war.

The lube and napkins if you already havent figured out is for some poor sap that jacks off to VF4 vanessa. If you're not jacking off to that character, Then I have seriously no idea why you should concern yourself with a virtual character.

Once again I find this thread absolutely pitiful as a pitfall due to the anonymity of the internet and I find all this racist talk just disgusting.

Its just a game, get over it.