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Thanks, I was talking about after using the above options, like when I get nitaku AFTER hitting at 46kp, not talking about doing 46kp during nitaku.

With that aside, I've been using 6k or throw, but I don't like how a counter hit 6k is just another guessing game into lackluster damage, so I was wondering other options, I'll use 3k+g after a Sabaki more as that's pretty sound in the frame data department. Thanks for the help!

 

after 46KP u got some move that u can use, the one i use the most is the wsP, but u can also use 6K if ch hit throw with P+G, PK, or throws.
4P+K is a fast move and u are at -2 on guard if i m not wrong, so it will depends of what ur opponent tend to do, so 3P is good and safe, or P. But like i said, see the bad habit of ur opponent and use the best move to take advantage

 

Maki: he mentioned "nitaku", so i am assuming he meant to ask what to do when those two moves land on NH (see Marly's answer as well).

@og23: there's a compiled list of nitaku options at http://virtuafighter.com/wiki/vanessa-strategy-vf5fs/#ds-nitaku

If anything is missing please let me know and i will strive to add it.

 

Oops i didn t read well the question

 

Hey guys, I've got another question for those who are interested, In offensive stance, on what frame can I use an attack out of intruder stance? It's a little hard to word, but allow me to explain. So when I do 4K in OS and I enter intruder stance on block, the frame data in training mode tells me that I am minus 14, however I don't have to wait 14 frames to attack, and I can attack much earlier. What is the first frame that I can do an attack out of, and If you guys know, could you please share how you found out? It would be greatly appreciated

 

Spirit Coach, set the computer to (block then 2p, or block then mid) and test to see what works against those attacks on blocked intruder(if there is anything that works). I think that answers it? Im a bit confused to what the question is really

 

No, that doesn't really answer my question, Mr. Cornwallas. That's my fault for not wording it properly though. When I go into intruder stance after a blocked 4K, it says I am minus 14. However, you and I both know that I don't have to wait the whole 14 frames in order to input an attack. What I want to know is the exact frame I'm allowed to do one of my attacks out of intruder stance

 

Not sure. Try testing like I said though. Im pretty sure its something wonky like even though your -14 you can do the mid kick follow up to crush lows and the mid punch follow ups to counterhit mids I think. I tested it a long time ago I cant really remember. That might not even work its been a while haha. I for some reason think that works though.

 

I know that I can use the kick follow up to beat 2p. But I'm looking to find out what frame exactly I can attack. Not sure how useful it'll be but I think it'll be good to know all the same

 

I would answer but i m not sure to understand the question. What u wanna know, the frame window u got once u go on IS when 4K is blocked?

 

Not exactly Maki, I just used a blocked 4K as an example, but it can be applied anywhere. When I go into intruder stance, I can't attack immediately, right? I have to wait a few frames for her to duck down first before my attack comes out. I'm looking for how many frames do I have to wait before I can finally input my attack

 

ok i think i understand, u want to know at how many frames u can input ur attack once u go in IS, isn t it?

 

Yes Maki. Man that was really hard to explain

 

lol since i m french it s hard to understand, olet me test it i ll give u a feed back

 

From the 1st frame until the end of the IS i think it s 31fr. In fact once u press to go in IS u can immediatly press or or and van will do the move u chose

 

the buffer window in FS is really huge so I'm assuming you can buffer the attack immediately when you go into intruder

 

ok then i still don t understand