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Damnit Manji, you totally killed my April Fool's joke

 

Does anyone know why OS IS does not work against Back Turned opponents?!

 

Simple and stupid, but correct answer: Because it doesn't. Most catch throws don't unless they've been specifically designed to.

 

So i'm in the dojo vs Taka, terrace stage, CPU set to fastest unstagger, position: CPU's back against the wall.

I do OS > . What happens: wall staggers, the CPU unstaggers in time for the second hit to NOT be considered a combo, then the second knocks Taka down

Can anyone explain what's going on? is not supposed to knock down on NH!

EDIT: Further testing reveals this ALSO happens with some other moves:

knocks down, which guarantees and a shoulder ram for 53 dmg!
knocks down which guarantees (which may low wall splat for additional damage)
knocks down which guarantees and a shoulder ram for 63 dmg !
counts as CH which guarantees vs Taka.
knocks down (strict timing though, and combos don't seem that damaging).

EDIT#2: Testing in city stage now: same deal. It appears that after a wall stagger some moves retain their stagger hit properties, even when the stagger appears to be over.

EDIT#3: Testing vs JEFFRY now. The shoulder rams after string and string don't connect; connects after string for 51.

wall hit > also does 51.

and still count as stagger hit but the damage output is still less than string.

Finally I realized that > actually does LESS damage after a stagger hit, making it an unattractive followup (on its own 5 hits, 61 dmg; after wall stagger 5 hits, 54 dmg). Curiouser and curiouser.

 

Since hits into stagger count as combo and thus are susceptible to damage scaling, combo making less damage off a stagger makes sense.

I have no idea what is causing the knockdown in the situation you first described though.

 

Minor update: i think we should file this under "dojo weirdness".

I remembered i didn't test for string last time. After testing (it doesn't do more damage than the string), i set the CPU to CounterHit.

All of a sudden , and no longer knock down (ie. the hit counts as a regular CH).

 

I'm a bit late on this but this is something I've also noticed. After a stagger the opponent still has "stagger properties". This only applies if the opponent doesn't do anything and stays neutral. It reads as a regular CH because they are doing something, they could also guard or evade. Similarly if you just set the CPU to crouch or crouch guard you'll hit them but it'll just be NH since they are not neutral.

It's weird but it has no practicable use since it requires the opponent not to press anything.
Another way you can do this is doing Blaze 9P+K~K, RD K with fastest struggle on and opponent on normal hit. The knee crumples even though it's not guaranteed. It doesn't if the opponent is pressing anything.

 

Watching the Railway series uploaded by Blackstar, i noticed the following combos:

1st railway vid, @1:28:56: OS crouch stagger > > rebounce > vs lau

3rd railway vid, @03:13: OS CH vs akira > > OM to vane's stomach > > rebounce > vs Akira.

I think that, if these are true, unescepable, combos, they'd be max damage for these particular characters. Could someone test, please?

 

I will test it this evening. The one vs akira if it works it s a great newz

 

Both are white combos 76 dmg vs lau and 86 for the one vs akira the 2p have to be delayed i use with my pad 33pkg maybe for stick players 333pkg is required. Nice job erdaug...

 

Good news! Thank you for testing Maki!! I'll add them to the combo list ASAP.

Looks like Japanese players still have some tech hidden up their sleeve

 

They definitelly have, just this weekend Kanzen Nitaku presented a tech I will never imagine to even try

 

Sorry erdraug.

OS CH vs akira > > OM to vane's stomach > > rebounce > vs Akira.

I knew This combo, but this is unstable.
Results vary depending on the starting move.
Who developed the combo even know.

watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKku9L-ZJ48

 

Thank you @acebreaker ! I am updating the combo list with your combos.

And thank you for taking the time to create a video; combo #1 ( > > DS ) is astonishing!

 

How do I apply pressure in DS after my opponent blocks p?

6k is 15 frames - loses to 2p
6p is 16 frames - loses to 2p
while rising p is 13 or 14 frames - but is it possible to buffer out of a move?

the 2nd p of pp is mid and the stagger is recoverable, so I'd like to be able to hit check it and follow up with k. So far I haven't been able to hit check the k though - do I just need to practice more?

 

How do you figure out real frame advantage after doing a successful evade equation and getting your pseudo advantage then converting into real advantage.

Ie- -4 for lion evading p class nets 0.
-4 for lion evading 2p class nets +6
-4 for lion evading 6p class nets +9
-4 for lion evading 3k class nets +17
-4 for lion evading 33p class nets +18

 

OK, staggers might be recoverable, but I was under the impression that but if DS PP staggers it's impossible for the opponent to unstagger fast enough to block the PPK.

Same deal with DS 66P - if it crouch staggers then 66PP is guaranteed, right?

 

Don't know about 66PP but you are right on PPK. I'm too slow to hit-check it currently