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OK so you were referring to DS . It's a 14f high elbow that will float the opponent on a counter hit. You can easily follow up with . See http://virtuafighter.com/combos/index.php?ver=5fsa&chara=vanessa for more complicated combos - it's the first item on the list!

 

Thats right, the wind elbow.Ty erdraug

 

Ok it s the wind elbow 4p+k =) float on CH

 

I think i run into something weird:

I'm currently Vanessa vs Shun in dojo, closed foot stance, setting the CPU to do "Defensive Move 1", then do DS k+g > p, shun gets counterhit by the fullcircular then gets normal side hit by the jab. If i try to do DS df+p then shun gets CH by the 10 punch too.

If switch to open foot stance shun can evade the DS df+p after getting CH by the full circular.

When i set the CPU to do "Defensive Move 2", revert to closed stance, then do the exact same thing, shun gets counterhit by the fullcircular and then evades the jab. The df+p hits.

When i switch to open foot stance shun evades both the jab AND the df+p.

Could anyone explain what's going on?

EDIT #1: just replicated the same thing with Vanessa vs Lau.

EDIT #2: just replicated the same thing Lau vs Shun. DM2 (to the foreground) evades jab after b+k+g CH.

I would appear that evading to the foreground while sideturned behaves differently than evading to the background.

EDIT #3: tested from the 2P side. DM2 still evades Lau's jabs after b+k+g lands on CH, both foot stances. Seems pretty persistent.

 

Does Vanessa have any wall attack?

 

I've done that, it's listed in the dojo glitches thread though I never figured what causes it to happen. You can make an evading CPU get CHd by simply doing something like PK, PK, PK (I think I used Jean for this) even if they are evading away from the K's possible circular direction.
That's probably the same thing, though you've figured out a different way of achieving the glitch.

 

Is there an improvised combo available after DS or OS hit an airborne opponent? They spike the opponent to the ground and i can't seem to be able to connect anything afterwards.

 

So, after few test it seems that after DS 1P u got the best option, i mean 6P+K+G
But for 2P+K it seems it s the same property than 9P->2P+K. What i found:

• 66PK with bonus* dmg using 3_K or 3_KK
• 3P+KK with bonus* damage using 2KP
• 2KPP work on almost all cast except heavyweights
• 2KPK work on all cast except taka
• 3P->2P->66KP Tight timing doesn t work on jeff and taka and some midweigths
• 9K->2P->66KP VERY tight timing doesn t work on heavyweights and some midweigths

*Bonus damage is if the opponent doesn t tech roll.

 

There's no question about this (well honestly i don't know) but i'm pretty sure this is a freaking answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ4AYa1_ixo enjoy guys.

 

it s about 1 frame delay before the 2 p+k. It s like this combo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x82YnJl0RPg after 6p+k+g 1 frame delay is needed to succeed the 2nd big bounce =)

 

New question: what can i do vs Taka after DS CH?

 

afaik against taka it s not a float

 

Just tested: actually on CH it yields one of the new hit effects where the opponent awkwardly falls backwards. I tried a bunch of moves, the most damaging followup i can find is for 43 dmg total.

Adding it to the combo list.

EDIT: while i was in the dojo vs Taka i tested/stumbled upon a bunch of other stuff.

Accidentally i found out that DS NH > combos for 36 damage. Unfortunately it is range dependent; for example after NH pushback > does not work

Unfortunately i am not able to do DS CH > Best i can connect is the shoulder for 46 dmg. Is there a special timing required to land this on Taka?

Moving on to OS.

Stomach crumples (the good news):

CH > combos for 66 damage! That's only 2 damage less than the current max dmg combo for every other character! For reference, and also work, and do 61 and 60 damage respectively.

Btw OS fully charged NH > also combos for 79 damage. That's 18 more than the current max damage combo listed for Taka! Not that this move ever lands, just saying Again, for reference the ender does 74 damage and does 73 damage.

OS Intruder Step NH > combos for 56 damage! That's "only" 13 damage more than the current Taka maximum.

combos into for 63 damage! The input is tricky and it only does 5 damage more than the current max Taka combo in the combo list but, hey, it works!

Finally... is weird: it turns out this move behaves really differently (against Taka at least) when it is fully charged. DS version not charged combos into for 51 (contrary to what is indicated, does not work). Charged version combos into for 73. OS version not charged > 47 damage, as per the combo list. OS version fully charged > 73 dmg (13 point difference from the combo list).

I won't change the back charge kick combos for the time being. I'll test with the other characters first. I want to see if the charged version yields more damaging combos against the other characters too. If yes, then i'll split the two versions and list them as different combo starters. If not, i'll just note these Taka specific differences.

Slams:

OS > does 45 damage, not 52. Fixed it. does 46 damage, both stances, make sure you don't delay it in open stance. The > followup really does 52 damage but it's VERY hard and requires the jab to be inputted as . There's always for 43 damage and oki.

OS > does 45 damage. hits for 48. Both versions whiff if lands at range It would be nice to find some distance-independant combo besides pounce.

Floats:

OS > > appears to be the most damaging combo on Taka, as mentioned in the acebreaker combo thread, doing 3 more damage than the current max Taka combo (58)

OS > > does 66 damage (2 more than the current max).

OS > seems to be the most damaging combo i can find vs Taka (61 dmg). However, as every vanessa player knows, the first hit of this string has very poor reach. So, as expected, this combo whiffs from a distance. As will a jab. In those situations seems to be the more reliable, doing a paltry 56 damage EDIT#3: appears to always connect for negligeable damage.

EDIT#2: more testing on shun. Turns out most of these are Taka specific. But some can be converted to generic combos by adding a low punch.

For example OS max charge > > does 83 damage (14 damage more than the current max shun combo). Also works for Intruder Step and back charge kick. always does 2 points more than the standard bound combo.

However back charge kick does not appear to alter its behavior based on whether it's charged or not

So i'm not changing anything for Shun & will investigate further.

 

Resuming testing > after OS crumples.

vs wolf & jeffry it whiffs for every crumple starter.

vs Jean it only appears to work after Intruder Step

vs Akira it whiffs for every crumple starter.

vs Jacky whiffs for every crumple starter.

vs Goh it works but the delay of the low punch is very strict.

vs Brad the timing becomes easy. I'm assuming this works on every character lighter than Brad since it works vs shun and he tends to have the weirdest hitbox.

Updating the combo lists.

EDIT: tested for lion, sarah, eileen. Works.

Also works on all three after OS foot crumple. Which is funny because it didn't work vs shun. So this will require additional testing too.

EDIT#2: it also works after CH with lion, sarah, eileen, vanessa, wolf. Jeffry too, although the timing is hard.

EDIT#3: > > > does 1 more point than the max stance independant combo ( ender)

 

New question: is there a better combo than when i hit my opponent with a DS wall attack (you know, to face the wall, then to do the jumping attack that staggers on block, crumples on NH).

EDIT: found one

 

Did u try to after the wall jump hit? then i think that works afaik

 

Two questions.

1. Do you recommend usually staying in OS against the heavyweights(wolf,jeffry,taka)? I was thinking that OS was more practical( 80%of the time) against them,but I need your opinion.


2. What range is favorable when fighting Jacky ?

 

I can partially answer Question 1: against Taka and Jeffry you should definitely stay in OS.

Jeffry has a bunch of -15 moves that can be punished with OS ; DS has no decent punishers before -17. Punishing with or escapable throws equals inviting Jeffry to keep using these unsafe moves; and when one of them lands Vanessa frequently loses half her lifebar.

Taka has -15 moves that can be punsihed with > ; also OS or combos on ANY hit for a lot of damage. At the same time two DS CH floaters don't work vs Taka ( and ).

Hopefully someone will answer you question about Jacky and Wolf. I just tend to lose against them

 

Against wolf i use more DS because of her sabakis to stop, but honestly both stances are usefull against him. For Van wolf is a good (even easy) match up...

My english isn t the best, so i hope i understand well ur question about Jacky. When u say range i mean the distance, so if i m wrong you can correct me =) So against Jacky, i advice to stay near to him, and punish his whiffed move when u crouch. But u won t be in favorable position near to him if a wall is next or behind you, then for those situations, keep ur distance and see what he does.