Top 10 Moves

Just a heads up: contrary to what is indicated in the command list OS tracks to vane's back - NOT to her stomach.

This is a major change from VF5 vanilla when tracked indeed to vane's front! I noticed the discrepancy while playing kingo offline a couple of days ago: seemed to consistenty CH him when he tried to boxstep to vane's back at the beggining of a round. So i confirmed it in the dojo by setting the CPU to evade.

This is good news because is much safer to use than in order to track to vane's back!

 

DS - so cheap
DS - so easy, kinda cheap
DS - good circular mid, possible wall hits
OS - kills 2P and most? lows, combo starter, gives frame advantage, so cheap
OS + - destroys back dash and some disgusting uses in combos, taka/wall
OS - There is too many good things to say about this move, very cheap.
OS - obligatory 14 frame mid, what more can I say
DS - 10 frames, +1 on block!!, +4 on hit, and +6 on counter-hit!! so cheap
DS ws - 13 frame staggers on CH, really useful move.
OS - I like the sound it makes when it lands CH.

P.S. I see people talking about the value of OS +. I wish it was -5 on block all the time, but it can be if done from max range. I try to only use this move near its max range as a whiff punisher or to interrupt people winding up slow moves because it moves vanessa forward enough to tag the opponent and because if I am too slow and the opponent blocks I'm at -5 or even -4!!. The max range is approximately just farther than a dash range.

 

The move I probably use the most with her is , either stance (get extra hits from it though in DS).

I really like the crumple as well, with the bound. And what about the !? 70dmg!

As you can tell, I generally just play in DS, but for sure, when you gotta switch up on some opponents, or is essential too. She still has good throws in this mode.

I wish I could include hit-throws, as they look awesome, but not able to reliably input them so far (buttons are cream-crackered), so just go with other punishment options.

 

Guies you forgot 3 moves that i mostly use on DS and it should be in top ten... first DS 46 very efficient move, (+4 on guard and sabaki) and 1 a low combo stater... For sure the combo won t be a 110 damages, but it s a good round starter (and i think it s near to 70 damages) and finally the crush jaw (ws) a real wmd!!! exe 13 very speed, stagger on counter...
In the name of queens, you play Vanessa? we should play someday...

 

@MakiLeSushi: There is no DS move. You are probably referring to the DS HP/HE/MP/EL sabaki. The *followup* is indeed positive on block (+4, not +2 btw). The move itself -7 on block. The frames on block of the followup are irrelevant because the string itself is high-high: opponents can (and will) interrupt it if they block the first hit. For reference, if the first move hits the second one combos for 15 dmg and nitaku (+7).

If you are referring to , it's -5 on block and knocks down on normal/counter hit. Again, for reference, you only get a slam float if you succssfully sabaki a HK/MK/SK/KN with it.

I'll let everyone judge the risk/reward ratio of these two moves on their own, for the time being - i am still working on my writeup.

 

Just a heads up about DS : it has 4 active frames. Meaning that *if it's blocked late* Vanessa can be anything from neutral to actually +2 on block. And, given its speed and range, it DOES tend to get blocked late when executed from midkick range

 

yes it is the 46kp and it s +4 i agree...

6_k my preferate move on os =)

 

Jacky -



Beats all your Vanessa nonsense!

 

We can try. I live in the US, in the eastern seaboard sprawl, not the UK.
I edited my list to reflect my agreement on the value of ws . I just forgot how good/important this move was to vanessa's DS offense. I never really paid much attention to +. It seems like a move I really need to explore, thank you for mentioning it.

Because I don't know the combos off of it that well yet.

 

Try to play with truewiseman and u will understandhow much the crush jaw is efficient... For the 1P+K it s a good round starter for example or when your opponent is too abare with PPPPP or it s efficient against the sarah's kick =)

 

My ten favourites moves (5 in DS and 5 in OS)
-DS 1P+K OS 9P
-DS 3P+K OS 6_K
-DS 46KP OS 6P+K
-DS 1P OS intruder step
-DS wsP OS 66KK

 

Im graduate van player, so at first i will say about the DS
DS , amazing move to keep opponent out,
DS , great mid string, against opponents that automatically duck after 6P cause they waiting for , also it can be delayed.
DS , great move, you have to use it wisely, second hit turn the opponent to side. Dont spam it espessialy if first get blocked cause second can be ducked it and 100% opportunity for the opponent to punish you.
, great combo starter, best combo starter for DS i think Also is great if you know how to deal against some of opponent strings that can be duck, great punish against duck highs.
, great move, advantage in block and big advantage to NH and CH, my favourite van oki move.
, great sabaki against 2P lovers.
WS, great mid, can staggering the opponent and is safe + fuzzyable.

Im sure i forgot and other moves, im not familiar with Van yet but i really like this character.

 

Lol i think that Van is the only one character who should have top 20 moves coz she s got 2 stances and coz all moves you notice i agree with you i got more for OS like
9K not really safe but when you know that it will connect, the combo will be a 110 damages
4K for me it s similar at the ds 3K with intruder step in bonus
3KK good for opponent who is crouching and finish combos (intruder step in bonus)
66K, on side turned if it connects, awesome combo
IS K, staggering and fuzzyable
The Takedown, 3 choices and a lot of damage
K+G good against an opponent in recovery make him side turn and +4 on guard

 

Yea i just mention only about DS cause i have more clear opinion about it, i checked also OS but i really need to understand more how every move works and what properties have. I really want to learn Van. She is hot,great and fun character to use.

 

When they start ducking after the first K, you can just low throw instead of doing the 2nd K