The MMA thread

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Are they making a

K1 Grand Prix for PS3?

Does anybody know?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJlqtj5YYLo& <--- Bas Rutten in GTA4

 

I think I posted that in irc. Talk about a riot. He should of had his IFL gear on!

 

So, what are your pics for this weekend for UFC?
I have Penn over Sherk round 2 submission
Keith Jardine over Wandy decision.
Ortiz over Machida decision
Sokoudjou over Nakamura Round 2 stop/TKO
Thiago Silva over Antonio Mendes round 1 submission

 

I'm looking forward to this card. In particular to Tito's last stand. Seriously, Dana... what the fuck!!!

Anyways, here are my picks.

1. Sherk over Penn via Decision (but I'll root for Penn all the way!)

2. Keith Jardine over Wandy by thunderous KO followed

3. Tito Ortiz (Partna) over Machida via nasty GnP followed by a ton of trashtalk, another silly T-shirt and stupid and counter-productive dick-size comparisons. Go Tito!

4. Sokoudjou over Nakamura Round via TKO

5. Thiago Silva over Antonio Mendes via something

Seriously, please UFC, stop throwing away marketable fighters and depriving us of some nice matches down the line!

 

Not that good predictions about the main fights m8 /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

 

Wel, buddy, what can I say... not exactly my finest hour.

I was really happy about BJ's victory, though. His cardio is always a little suspect and against Sherk one never knows.

Was happy about Wandy's win, too... did not see it coming. But am definitely happy that he seems to be back on track.

 

Lyoto Machida will be champion soon.

 

He is kinda hard to hit, jeez... I don't dislike his style bc that's what a smart and fast fighter should do. Why block an attack when you have the speed and skill to get out of the way? But if he fought another fighter that fought just like him: zzzzz.
He def got the best of Tito though, I specially liked the end of the second round when Tito got so pissed that you could see fire coming out of his ears, lol.

I wasn't shocked at all with the Wanderlei fight, he's still got quite a few fights left in him but what I WAS surprised about was his new and improved attitude. It looked like Wanderlei has dropped the "Axe Murderer" persona. He came out there looking all relaxed and even during the staredown he really didn't mean-mug Jardine. Jardine even kinda gave him a playful push but Wanderlei was not phased, he looked so cool and relaxed out there but I knew that he was going to bring it.
He was one of the best in Pride so of course he's going to be even better in UFC. He just needed to adjust, he's going to be making a name for himself in the UFC the same way that he did in Pride. As Bas Rutten would say "You watch".

 

The only real number one contender I say is Machida, Wanderlei beat JArdine but lost to Chuck, Chuck beat Wanderlei but lost to Jardine, Jardine beat Chuck and Forrest but just lost to Wanderlie.

Machida has amassed a career long resume so far and is still undefeated. Recently he has took out Nakamura, Soku, and now Ortiz. I honestly can't think of another fighter more worthy of a title shot. Machida must get a title shot!

 

Here's the reason why many MMA fans hate Lyoto Machida and Cung Le..

For many years, MMA fans have been hearing & believing that Muay Thai and Boxing are the best standup striking styles, and that traditional martial arts like Karate and Kung-Fu are worthless in MMA fights. Their mental image of traditional martial arts is Fred Ettish in UFC 2.

After a while, that mantra becomes a pseudo-religion, and any counter opinions are considered blasphemy.

So when Lyoto Machida starts winning with his Karate stance & fighting style, and Cung Le starts winning with San Shou kung-fu sidekicks and spinning back kicks, this creates a cognitive dissonance in the minds of many MMA fans. For 15 years, they've believed something to be fact. So in order to preserve the MMA world as they know it, they have to lash out at Lyoto Machida and Cung Le as charlatans and infidels.
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Someone posted this at Sherdog, great post. Noticed there is a lot of MAchida hate.

 

As brilliant as Machida may be (trust me that I see it), last night's fight was boring to me.

 

I just did not see that fight as boring, I saw his fight with Vernon White as boring as all hell though.

 

It's all personal opinion, but as a MMA fan no way can I say that fight was boring, the skills on display by Machida were top notch!
Some people might watch high level vf matches and say they are boring ( if you don't know what's going on this is easily imaginable), so this analogy can be applied.
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Machida is winning with MMA not karate, he is a black belt in jujitsu too, plus utilises many other techniques from other styles, difference with Cung Le is his ground game hasn't really been tested.
It's the fickle fans who hate on what they consider boring fights, fighters who lose one fight and there careers are over, boo the ground game etc.
I can't see there being any discord with any MMA fans, you still need good standup and ground game to be effective, nothing has changed lol.

 

I was absolutely THRILLED when I saw Cung Le fighting with a more traditional style. I thought that was what MMA had been missing for so long. I think an increase in use of more traditional martial arts will make the fights that much better. (How frickin crazy was the early UFC's?!? Emanuel Yarlboro? <- He was Taka! And he got beat by the traditional Kung-Fu (or was it Shotokan) guy iirc!)

I was so excited when I saw Cung Le picking Shamrock apart with those side kicks (and head kicks!) He lacks power in his hands but I LOVE his style. He was so dominant in San Shou that I couldn't wait for him to move to MMA.

A little while ago I watched a UFC where one of the under-card fights was with a white guy who had some traditional martial arts training (kung fu or judo maybe) and he owned his opponent with style. If anyone remembers his name that would be awesome.

I didn't see the fight being discussed with the Karate fighter but now that I hear there was some traditional shit going down I'm going to have to watch it tonight. The traditional styles are very fun to watch and I want to believe that they are the way they are because they worked hundreds of years ago in real mortal combat. I love picturing an old-school Karate master reverse punching through a samurai's bamboo armor ftw!

I think an injection of traditional styles will help the MMA leagues even more because they're graceful and different that what most guys are doing today. Plus, because it's not always expected and the average fighter is NOT trained to fight against it makes the traditional style have some real value.

Frank Shamrock couldn't defeat Cung Le's style partly because the vast majority of MMA fighters don't train against anything other than grappling, boxing and kickboxing. As soon as someone starts doing side kicks and ax kicks, the average fighter isn't as well equipped to deal with those attacks. Cung Le's front-leg side kick was working wonders against Shamrock just because he couldn't really deal with it. I think that's something more MMA guys should think about incorporating into their style.

It's like a real-life set of stance attacks that confuse your opponent. Going into Karate stance in an MMA bout is like using Lei Fei going into stance cause it makes you less predictable. All of the sudden your opponent has to worry about a set of more unorthodox attacks they don't train against regularly.

 

Shamrock lost because he let his ego (or as some speculate, paycheck) tell him that he should fight Le by using standup only and never take it to the ground.

It would have been more interesting if he had done that.

 

yeah and I think his bad knee's (acl and mcl, can't remember medical names :/) had ALOT to do with him not being able to shoot in.

 

I think the infusion of traditional martial arts makes the fighting looks very cool and interesting. The more MMA looks like "Bloodsport" I'm all for it... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

The problem with a lot of TMA is that you have to adopt it to MMA (even Machida does this, he's said so himself) and as you do that you have to learn what works and change your roots on the fly without any real help other then your own. If you were to learn boxing / MT for MMA you could easily find expertise within the area and people who helped you.

Machida is dynamic and very fast from all those years of karate with focus on small sprinting and hip bursting. Karate reverse punch (which is a foundation) etc also is probably one of the most long range moves there is etc strike wise with hands. If you look at TMA Karate fighting they fight at a much longer range from each other then most other TMA styles. He's not very big or muscular so for him to not to try and outbox people and instead going Chris Leben on people would just be a dumb gameplan. He's an outboxer (out fighter) simple as that. It's not that he can't do other things, it's just that it will work brilliant for him as people won't be able to catch him easily as he can work from a longer range then they can (specially people who are flat out boxers like Tito).

Edit: I'd actually LIKE to see him against someone like Chuck.