The MMA thread

Well, Monson did try to tie up Rizzo in the 1st round but more or less got shrugged off like wet jello. Remember, Rizzo is a VERY good striker who is also an accomplished grappler.
I agree - Ranallo needs to drink some lighter fluid.

 

seriously ranallo kept calling the first fight boring. i don't care how boring it is, you don't say it. like salaverry/marquardt, THAT IS A BORING FIGHT.

anyways i just watched human weapon and it was very interesting. i think a lot of their techniques are legit and as good as it gets when it comes to weapons. my gripe is only that they almost instill confidence against a knife... like, "now you have the tools to beat an attacker with a knife". and the reality is... even with all that shit... it's about 9/10 times you are going to get stabbed plain and simple.

 

I agree, but they did mention that. I guess for someone in a forced knife fight, you gotta believe it will work.

 

Wow, UFC last night should of been called "WHAT THE FUCK"
Seriously, who in the hell could of picked the Griffin win AND Jardine winning?1?!?

 

Training and conditioning have never been so important now since skill levels are so tightly packed,
I never really liked Griffin until I saw his work ethic on ufc unleashed and the way he beat in all ways shogun, great fight.
So many great fights to come I just hope the UFC are still trying to get Fedor.

 

great card, certainly fucked up the 205 division but that's what happens when you don't work your conditioning.

 

ChuteBox recently posted some old vids of vanderlei silva in bare knuckle matches. If anyone is interested, check it out...

http://www.chuteboxe-usa.com/

On the right side of the page

 

yeah early in his vale tudo days,
funny thing is now he actually spoke out against a recent vale tudo event in brasil

 

Anybody else catch Anderson laying down the ass whuppin' again?! hahahaha

 

overall a very weak card, but a solid main event. i didn't do very well in my picks... i picked starnes, black, and vera and got those all wrong. although the one fight i did say beforehand was a lock was robinson vs gurgel and i picked right.

ufc 78 is going to be the polar opposite. very very weak main event in bisping vs rashad, although it will be #1 contender fight. however the undercard is going to be ridiculously solid with fisher vs edgar, houston vs thiago, and karo vs chonan. solid solid card.

 

any kung fu master dosen't take part in such things because they are above proving themselves to the masses. it's just the way they are.

 

I really liked the main-event last night. Now I'm looking forward to Tim Sylvia's wish, "I'd like to fight Cheick Kongo," coming true. After watching the Cro-Cop vs. Kongo, "WTF?! This guy keeps kicking me in the balls!" fight, I'd enjoy it if Kongo lost to Sylvia.

 

Imagnie - Chonan vs Anderson pt. 2!!!!
Chonan vs Kayro is worth the price of admission right there.

 

naww chonan is fighting karo at 170 and i can't see him ever moving up to 185. besides karo is likely going to destroy him. also i forgot to mention return of terrell at 78, J-LAU is fighting, debut of gono.

and Tricky -- NO. That's not a legitimate excuse. And it's ridiculous to believe that there are "ancient secrets" that have been completely undiscovered by anyone who is into competitive fighting. Because surely, those who want to compete are going to seek the best training? Or do you say the ancient masters sense this and hide it for them? Jesus christ.

 

A lot of outstanding martial artists will try to not put themselves in the type of situations where they have to fight and/or prove that they are the best and/or test their skills.

These martial artists come to a position where they understand a deeper nature of their martial art: that it is a spiritual practice and that it is for mental peace.

Here's what Jet Li had to say regarding his martial art:

Reporter, Rebecca Murray- Is Fearless Really Jet Li’s Last Martial Arts Film?:

Jet Li- "It's the last Wushu movie. That's it. Because Wushu has many levels, I just make it easy to understand. First level is the physical contact. Use your physical skill against your enemy. That's most action films doing this kind of genre. The second level is use your knowledge, languages, strategy. Everything you could before physical contact to stop your enemy. Third, use your honor, belief, your love, show it to your enemy. Turn your enemy into your friend. I tried to share those three levels in the movie. Everything I believe, the physical part, the mental part, I put everything in the film. That's why I say this is my last Wushu movie."

In another interview he also talked about his feelings towards wushu and his last wushu film, Fearless:

"So everything I want to say about wushu's, true meaning about wushu- or martial art - in this film I have said, so in the future I have nothing to say, and that's why I said this is the last one."
Li says that this true-life character remains the closest to himself, a character that he's been dying to play for the past decade. "I think that first of all where martial art is our life, even 100 years difference, we have a same belief and philosophy and so I put them together to make this movie."

Gotta respect that, this dude could have continued making money doing his style but he doesn't want to keep showcasing it as just a violent solution to resolve problems or to prove himself or his style as the best.

 

And now, Ladies and Gentleman - Fedor signs a 6 million dollar deal with M1!
http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1314
NEW YORK, Oct. 22 -- During his 34 years working in the entertainment industry, Mitchell Maxwell has seen many contracts. So Vadim Finkelchtein, the Russian manager of Fedor Emelianenko (Pictures), listened to the Broadway show producer when it came time to discuss a deal that was designed to deliver the heavyweight star to the UFC.

"I said, as an entertainment guy, you can't have anybody sign this," Maxwell told Sherdog.com following Monday's press conference to officially announce the M-1 Global mixed martial arts organization, for which he now sits as chairman. "It's too one-sided. You can't exploit somebody like this."

Maxwell and Finkelchtein -- introduced through a mutual friend and speaking in the middle of August on the Italian island of Sardinia -- began to discuss options.

"I said give me two weeks," recounted Maxwell, who'd never heard of mixed martial arts let alone the 31-year-old Emelianenko. "Let me put together an A-List team, let's meet together again in Amsterdam in two weeks and see if we wanna go ahead."

The money came together quickly. Maxwell returned to Holland on Sept. 25 and signed Emelianenko, the undisputed top heavyweight in MMA, to a letter of intent before handing him a $1.5 million signing bonus.

"All of a sudden I'm in the MMA business," Maxwell said. "Part of life is when opportunity knocks you have to know when to open the door, and I think this was a door worth opening."

In terms Maxwell can understand, he's not opening off Broadway.

Signing the most sought-after free agent in MMA history has immediately made him, and the newly formed M-1 Global, a name fight fans will know. The key to the deal, of course, is Emelianenko, whom many hoped would resurface in the Octagon.

But to hear the Russian describe it, that deal was doomed from the word "crazy."

"It was not a pleasant thing to hear," said Emelianenko (26-1-0, 1 NC), responding to UFC president Dana White's drumbeat against the fighter's "crazy Russian" management.

"You cannot start a relationship with someone using those phrases."

Though Emelianenko's management, led by Finkelchtein and Apy Echteld, expressed in late July that the UFC offer was extremely lucrative, it also was the most restrictive in terms of likeness rights, exclusivity and other points they did not want their fighter to concede on. The UFC chose not to budge as well.

But in the end the decision not to sign with mixed martial arts most successful promoter, said Emelianenko, was his alone.

In choosing to partner with M-1 Global, Emelianenko hopes to "create an organization that would be on the international level with the strongest fighters of all styles. … And to make this type of sport popular all over the world."

Key to the group's success will be its ability to sell a Russian-only-speaking fighter to a North American audience. To that end, Washington D.C.-based SFX Media, which in 2006 splintered away from mega media company Clear Channel, signed on.

"He's not going to market himself but we plan to build a platform with him," SFX executive vice president Dennis Spencer said of Emelianenko. "Television is obviously a challenge because of the language, but I think we're going to get some good companies behind us to really bring him out in a commercial way. I hope I don't hear anymore references to Ivan Drago."

With names like Reggie Bush, Andy Roddick and Joakim Noah in its stable, SFX sees Emelianenko as another budding sports star whose talent, more than an outside-the-ring appeal, will win over MMA and mainstream audiences alike.

"We understand the challenges," said Spencer, whose company will also be on the forefront of negotiating television and sponsorship deals for M-1 Global. "It's not easy. I want to say Fedor is a gentle giant, but that's maybe wrong. Quiet giant. Very nonplussed. He's got a smile that lights up the room."

People won't pay to see him grin … unless of course it comes after yet another dominating performance.

Emelianenko is expected to make his debut for the new group -- the first of six fights over two years that will pay him $2 million per contest; if he remains with the company for five years, even in an ambassador role, the Russian would also be in line to cash in on a significant chunk of equity -- in February, likely in Chicago.

Though M-1 Global representatives wouldn't comment, it's believed veteran Jeff Monson (Pictures) is a candidate to be Emelianenko's first opponent.

Following their initial effort in Chicago it's off to Asia, where Macao is just as possible a destination as Tokyo. A return to the U.S. precedes a stop in Russia. And finally back to the U.S.

"I'm very glad that at the end of the day we split the world in several parts: USA, Asia, Europe and Russia," Echteld said. "We have to move on and really have a global competition, because there are so many unknown fighters who don't get a shot in the UFC who are very good."

There are also quite a few well known fighters who have had shots in the UFC, chief among them Randy Couture (Pictures). Awash in his own controversy after vacating the UFC heavyweight belt on Oct. 11 and thusly walking away from the powerful Las Vegas-based MMA organization, Couture's name came up several times Monday.

Emelianenko called news of Couture's UFC departure "positive" and said he was "very proud that Couture made such a great decision."

"To tell you the truth, he's such a great person," said Emelianenko, who owned the PRIDE heavyweight belt from 2003 until the company went out of business in March of this year. "I really admire him and bow in front of him. I'd rather get to know him more as a friend than a competitor. But I understand that we're in the position that fans want to see the fight happen. I'm always ready."

Fedor Emelianenko (Pictures) versus "The Natural" -- now that's a showstopper.

 

But see that's the thing, you can't be a martial artist and not fight. It's like claiming to be a good swimmer and having never been in the water before.

Is jet li a good dancer? (ie: good at performing pre-arranged choregraphed movements YES. Is he a good martial artist? (ie: actually able to do anything against a live resisting opponent?) Fuck no.

That's not to say that you can't get great conditioning, great muscle tone, and great flexibility from doing stuff like jet li. But you can get all that from doing gymnastics, which improves your ability to fight just as much as doing choreographed series of movements does.

 

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This is in reply to Low Sweep's post in the Kimbo Slice thread:

It seems that the mighty UFC is not all it's cracked up to be.
According to two disgruntled employees, if Dana White doesn't change his greedy ways a lot more fighters will be leaving the UFC the same way that Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture and Mirko Cro Cop have left. Here's a couple of articles from ultimatemma blogspot that talk about it:

http://ultimatemma.blogspot.com/search/label/tito%20ortiz

http://ultimatemma.blogspot.com/2008/02/dana-whites-reaction-to-crocop-leaving.html

If you dont want to believe what was written you can listen to Tito himself talking about it in the video: "Tito talks UFC treatment of fighters." It's in the first link.

 

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I'd really like to see Brock Lesnar versus Kimbo Slice.
Brock was beating Frank Mir's ass until Mir got him in that submission.

If it goes to the ground: advantage Brock.
If they stay on their feet: advantage Kimbo.

This is my dream fight for '08.