Team <<Shao long pao>> {NYC VF} thread.

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well ill be there so let the practice comence from here on. yesssssss. No wait, yeaaaaaaa.

 

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I'll make it down.but tomorrow i can't make it to GTN sorry guys.I have to go for a drug test for a job i went today.So i really dont know when i'm gonna get out.

 

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Someone tell Shota I say hi!

 

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Thanks for posting this Rod-Digger...

I can't wait for this Sunday! Holding this bi-weekly is a great idea and we should definitely come up with a cheezy prize (like a belt of something with some emgraving) that the winning team gets to hold on to.

I think the teams look pretty good. I hope the CHIGGER can make it, but he would have to be a leader of his own team i think.

Lets make this a HAWT tradition fellaz! Going out for food afterwards is mucho fun!

Lets Rawk bitches...You niggaz is going dooooown!!

 

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hehe, remember back in VF3 times when i wanted to do team games? but everyone was like nah, fuck it lol. I guess its cool now.

I support team "tourneys". /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif
(yes i usually hate tourneys, but usually the non-team ones... /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif )

i think i can come up with a cheesy prize, how about a dural statue and some letters below saying "biggest virtua cock winner! " /versus/images/graemlins/lol.gif

 

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This sounds great. Finally something other than casual play. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

FYI, the name of the "Aoi Player" is Dave. His SN here is Subbers. /versus/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Did you purposely leave Andy out of the action? heh heh /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif One never knows with his schedule. If he will be around I guess he can fill an absentee.

What format do you have in mind? I suggest RR so every team faces each other. Having it elim style with only 4 teams I think is pretty weak.

 

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This sounds great. Finally something other than casual play. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

FYI, the name of the "Aoi Player" is Dave. His SN here is Subbers. /versus/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Did you purposely leave Andy out of the action? heh heh /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif One never knows with his schedule. If he will be around I guess he can fill an absentee.

What format do you have in mind? I suggest RR so every team faces each other. Having it elim style with only 4 teams I think is pretty weak.

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Cool thanks for reminding me of Subbers name. I total forgot it was Dave. I will edit my post and make the necceasary changes.

As for Andy, actually I called and asked Andy if he would be able to play before I even posted. Originally he was the team leader of the team with Shota on it. So I replaced Andy with Shota. His schedule is all screwed up and he can't play at all or unless it's kind of late. I told him though if he ever has time and can stop by please do so. We can easily assign him to a team. I'll take him on mines. /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I guess we could do a RR as long as it doesn't take up much time. I just hope everyone shows up. Again I appologize to everyone for the short notice.

Everyone don't forget to bring your digi cams or DV cams. It should be off the hook.

 

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I am on a team now?! Cool!

Even though I believe letting ppl decide which team they want to join is a better idea, I am cool with any team as long as I am in the team /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Okay, I better come down to get some trainning now...

 

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Finally, TEAM TOURNAMENTS!! Make it single elimination and you're cool. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif I hope this becomes a tradition cause when I drop by NYC I want to be part of it. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif Have fun guys!!

 

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Oops, I probably wont make it this sunday. It's a Chinese holiday and I have to go out for my relatives gathering in Chinatown.


I wish the team tourney happens on saturday. Because the only day I have no class is Sunday, and most of time I have a lot things to do during that day.

About the team idea, I have some suggestions:

We should have assign the team leaders and let others to decide which team they want to join. The team leaders will be responsible to raise up the team's playing level. Every team should has their own trainning session at least once each week. It leads to the next point.

Two important things for people to select their team.
a) Do you share the same language with your teammate?
There are ppl dont care about frames, and there are ppl memerize every move's execution, recovery and property. I remembered that Real Jeff Free had talked about he learned a lot from Sal rather than Rodney and Andy, not because Rodney and Andy are not good enough, but the things Sal taught is simple to understand and more important, they are not frame stuff that he could not understand. If you are the kind of player plays with your experience and instinct, team up with ppl who plays the same way. If you always follow what orange book and master guide says, team up with people who also strictly follows the book. If you see imaginary frame stats when you play VF, team up with ME!!!
Having teammates that shares the same VF language makes the improving progress much faster.

b) What character do you play?
If you play Akira, you better listen to Rodney's advice. If you play Jeff, Adam could teach you many useful defense techiques. If you play Kage, Sal has a lot of tricks to offer. Learning your character from those veterans will improve your game play a lot.



Another thing I want to point out is that bi weekly team tournament maybe is too much for now. A consistant team tournament once every month is easier to become a tradition. We could always add some cool tourneys like character specific tourney such as all Akira tourney, or 50 kumite against Kazu or Adam between the monthly team tournamnet.

 

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Hopefully you check the boards again before you leave Tokyo, Eric.

You could really help us out if you can purchase some VF cards. We have had alot of new faces the past few weeks and they would like cards. Also the regulars are running low on their 500 match limit.

Buy as much as you can. An ideal count would be about 10. We will definetly reimburse you the money when you get back.

Hope your having fun and return safely. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

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It sux you wont be able to make it Tian. /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Well, this is the first time we would be doing this within our group. I like Rod's balanced teams idea, I say we give it a shot. In the future we could always switch things around. Nothing is set in stone at this point.

Also I think the set teams with diverse players is good competitive wise. Lets say you have a team and all the players in the team have almost the same "mindset and style". The odds of them winning is very low because all it takes is one person to counter attack the team's "style". And the losing team wont learn from mistakes and improve because everybody in the group thinks alike. Players in a diverse team will fill the gaps to face opponents where an individual person has disadvantages against another foe. The diverse team will eventually compliment each other.

In VF, there is no perfect way to play. But you have to be able to adapt to fighting many different styles to become a great player. The trick that worked for you your first ten games might not work at all the next twenty because your opponents will have you figured out.

 

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Also I think the set teams with diverse players is good competitive wise. Lets say you have a team and all the players in the team have almost the same "mindset and style". The odds of them winning is very low because all it takes is one person to counter attack the team's "style". And the losing team wont learn from mistakes and improve because everybody in the group thinks alike. Players in a diverse team will fill the gaps to face opponents where an individual person has disadvantages against another foe. The diverse team will eventually compliment each other.


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Shag, I agree with most of what you said except the diverse player part. I believe right now many people still have problems against many defense techiques and certain moves. This means those players are not familiar with their character enough. Even though yes, veterans can tell you want to do against some moves, like Adam told to me do a back throw after blocking Lau's + yesterday, there are things that he probably wont be able to tell when I am in various situation cause Jeff and Wolf play very different. Learning your character from those experts who use them are much effective.

Once people really able to deal with the basic stuff, and know their characters' tricks, then it's up to them to decide what they want to be. They may want to mimic some great Japanese players' style, or create the style of their own. It's all up to them. But like Smurf and I had talked about no one plays the same a couple weeks before outside GTN, I think the same style problem rarely happen once everyone plays their character well. I am confidant that NAVF player are much more creative than Japanese /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif



A couple cool things happened yesterday. Shag reached 3th Dan yesterday. I stopped him at the first time but failed in the second after he did his Basara combo on my poor wolf /versus/images/graemlins/tear.gif Congrat, Shag, you show me the unstopable force of darkness once again /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

The more important thing is I beat Kazu, not once, but twice in a row!!! Finally, 2 months of no VF but WWE every thursday night paid off. Real Jeff Free, I told you I am going to beat Kazu after I return from summer!!! It's your turn right now!

 

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yea Shag you hit it right on the money. I was aiming for diversity amongst the teams and yea everything is not written in stone yet. We can switch things up if needed.

We would like to start things off tomorrow at 1PM if it's at all possible. So please everyone get some decent rest tonight before you come. I want everyone to be in good spirits and have lots of energy to cheer the teammates on and of coarse stir up some friendly team rivalry. Also let's try to come up with permanent team names.

See you all tomorrow. I will try to get down there about 12PM-12:30PM.

 

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I am confidant that NAVF player are much more creative than Japanese /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Your dead wrong Tian, think about it. In NYC, there are roughly about 50 people that play VF, half of that dont play as consistent as we (the GTN crew) do. Lets say there about 500 people in NA that can play fundamentally. In Japan, there are THOUSANDS of players. From 6 year old boys to 14 year old girls to 50+ year old businessmen. The ones we only hear about are the really good players but do you really think they all play at the same level?

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The more important thing is I beat Kazu, not once, but twice in a row!!!

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That is reason to celebrate. But dont let it get to your head. /versus/images/graemlins/indifferent.gif

 

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I am confidant that NAVF player are much more creative than Japanese /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Your dead wrong Tian, think about it. In NYC, there are roughly about 50 people that play VF, half of that dont play as consistent as we (the GTN crew) do. Lets say there about 500 people in NA that can play fundamentally. In Japan, there are THOUSANDS of players. From 6 year old boys to 14 year old girls to 50+ year old businessmen. The ones we only hear about are the really good players but do you really think they all play at the same level?

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The more important thing is I beat Kazu, not once, but twice in a row!!!

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That is reason to celebrate. But dont let it get to your head. /versus/images/graemlins/indifferent.gif

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Wait, wait. I said: "I am confident that NAVF player are much more creative than Japanese." Not "I am confident that NAVF player are much more skillful than Japanese." Or "I am confident that NAVF player are much more than Japanese." I said that because the VF crew is really really diversed in NYC. Everyone comes from different background and has different habits. The difference shows in gameplay as well. I simply dont believe everyone, let's say in an Akira team, will play exactly like Rodney.

I heard concerns like everyone in a team plays the same then lost to a player that knows how to deal with it. I am going to the opposite logic. Even though yes, winning is important, the goal of team tournament is not just to win I believe. Otherwise Thursday night gathering is good enough for everyone to show off their skills. Now let's say Kazu beats the all Akira team, then what will happen? The all Akira team will talk about the flaws in their gameplay. They can talk about their possiblity in different situations they had encountered. They can figure out the best solutions in those situations in much efficient manner without diversing their attention to figure out solution for each player who uses a different character in the team. Then what happens? Akira team will be improved and next time they will stand a better chance to win! They could also help each other to develop their vision of their gameplay/style: aggressive, defensive, or neutral. Or helping each other to use moves that are their personal preferences in a better way.

Dont get me wrong, I am not encouraging all Akira team or all Jeff team or something like that. As I posted before, when you build up a team, consider the players' gameplay style(experience + instinct, or following the book + frame chart) and character similarity.

The other thing i am looking for is that team leader is really going to think what causes the loss of the match. Espeically the team tournament goes like Kazu/Adam beat em all scene. There is no reason that kind of thing will happen since each team has a strong leader. I hope the team leaders are going to take the responsiblity and tell teammates how to do better and the mistakes in their gameplay (Especially the leaders' one since they understand the game and themselves better), not the old school excuses:"Nah, he got lucky." "That guy is a scrub!!!" "The button sucks!' If a leader always has excuses like that, other teammate won't get any better.



About "celebrating" beating Kazu, it was my little promise with Real Jeff Free back in June. I told him I will get better by playing VF imaginary in my mind during the summer vacation and beat Kazu when I come back. Well, I kept my promise...

 

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Damn...I am....eh....a team captain!? I'd better dust off my PS2 and fire up the training mode NOW.

 

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Captain Shota kooonn!!

 

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Wait, wait. I said: "I am confident that NAVF player are much more creative than Japanese."

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I know what you said. I still dont comprehend how you can make that statement. Japan has a huge set of players, simply by numbers one can say as a collective group of people that "they" play the game at many different styles.

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I said that because the VF crew is really really diversed in NYC. Everyone comes from different background and has different habits. The difference shows in gameplay as well

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I don't think a persons cultural background shows up in gameplay. That I believe is an individual trait.

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I simply dont believe everyone, let's say in an Akira team, will play exactly like Rodney.

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Well that's obvious. How does that tie into your original statement? Lets take the Akira players in our group: Konjou, Rheinaoi, Smurf and Cruz (sub character). Do you think they play differently because of their ethnic background? Because of they're different ages? Or is it different neighborhoods? /versus/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I really hope your not implying that.

Lets take some famous Japanese Akira players: Homestay, Minami and Ohsu. They all play Akira to a style unique to themselves.

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Dont get me wrong, I am not encouraging all Akira team or all Jeff team or something like that. As I posted before, when you build up a team, consider the players' gameplay style(experience + instinct, or following the book + frame chart) and character similarity.

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And I relay my point even further. If you put a team of instintive players or a team of textbook players, they will run into a wall if someone can counter their style. A team with a mixture of styles statistically I think will do better. And I think they can grow as better players from learning from each other. I believe Rod did a good job in doing that.

 

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hiro kun! can you make it???!