So why are people still losing to him? If the information is out there, Jeffry should not be winning. Period. He is that bad, yes, but I have yet to play anyone that has effectively shut him down to the point where I'd say "Alright, I'm not playing this character any more". Plus, any competitor who mains a character is not gonna say "Hey this is how you beat my character". You either figure it out yourself, get the info from other source, or they keep winning.

If Kuroda can mess players with freaking Q, then it's possible to mess people up with Jeffry in FS.


That's the problem with some players or the majority of the FGC in general. Too much "preaching" and not enough "practicing". Then you have people say ignorant stuff like "This character sucks because of X,Y,Z" when that character is actually a TOP TIER character. I'll never forget someone said to me Vanilla SF4 Akuma sucks because he has "Low Health" and I literally just walked away. I didn't even want to engage in that conversation.

I'm just bad though . Hope your not expecting anything from people like me.

You'll improve if you really care to. Don't condescend yourself too much or you start 2nd guessing yourself and your decisions in the game and will lose more. The info is out there and people will help you, just don't rely on data TOO much and remember to practice.

Unless you are me! I give out info on dealing with Jean constantly...

Heck, I spoke with Flash about some things that can give Jean trouble in the shoutbox yesterday!

Lol well, knowing you you're probably getting tired of blowing people up with Jean. I never get tired of blowing people up with Jeffry because he sucks that bad LOL.

But more seriously, you are that helpful guy. It's crazy that one of the few North American FS players who knows the game in-depth tries to offer legit advice, and people STILL don't want to listen.

He said he doesn't know Eileen outside Eileen vs Eileen can't get much with that. I finding out new stuff though so im good.

The entire cast operates under the same set of rules with their toolset. Any advice I give about Jean will probably apply to Eileen as well.

Anyways, you would probably be better served watching and understanding / taking notes on this rather than asking me anything specific about Eileen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl9KJZdYsLM

I can watch this set that is Eileen vs. Taka and understand how to better play Jean.

If i recall wasn't jeffry (magnum) the third star player in japan in the 2011-2012 season? I saw that jeff whoop all kinds of so called top tier/top japan players asses. I mean he had to have beaten many players just to get the chance to fight and beat the 2 star players that he had to fight in order to be a star player himself in the first place. That means to me that jeffry indeed does have what it takes (especially for him to be that high in the star player list anyway).

If you tell people, then that's cool. It's not an obligation. I'm more skeptical about sharing shit with people in this day and age because I feel like I'd be wasting my time or they are not really in it for love of the game. Takes awhile for me to be like: "Look, this is how you avoid this or punish this."

Sometimes I don't even know the best or most accurate punishes vs my character using another. Hence, why I say people need to play more and experiment during matches, instead of being try-hards and trying to get that desperate W.

As for STSFN movement, yeah post-SF4 it's been dead, but at the same time like I said before, it's not an obligation. Chris G kept his MorriDoom a well kept secret and I have yet to ever hear him tell people how to beat his little Ikaruga style set-up. People had to figure it out on their own.

Jeff wins in Japan using the basic moves that all characters have. Just fast mid, 2p and grab. Just think of all the tools and strings every character has. Jeff is totally without any of those unless you want to get evaded and punished for anything you do. That scary toe kick? That shit is launch punishable on evade even if Jeff is +8 when he does it. Same situation is pk punish for 3p+k. I think Jeff's ch stuff is great, but if you can't make reads or condition your opponent, you are taking a huge risk with any Jeff-specific attacks
Edit: also magnum is insane.
And to clarify: I still think Jeff is a contender, but he is limited to universal moves so you could probably do the same with any char.

Oh This is this year most of the stuff I get sent sometimes is from last year let's see here.

I know he does win, that's the point i am trying to get across. GT and others up here saying that jeffey should never win, and that it could be a cake off. That you can EDC him out of anything and its nearly nothing jeffey can do. GT says that jeff does the least damage in the game on correct guesses and has the worst options? I really beg to differ on that. I mean if you disrespect jeffey at 5-, you eat 111 damage. That's two guesses and its a wrap. That is even worse then GOH 6K counter hit combos. He might be very ricky/the most ricky in certain situations, but if the yomi is right and reaction is fast enough then he destroys people faster then nearly any character in the game. It literally take two to three nice guesses to win a round with jeff. You are right about the making reads and conditioning part when it comes to jeff. I know that he does not have a real fast half circle move in either direction, but if you put them at -7 -8 then they are not EDCing his 16/17 frame half circle options. Which can do 80 plus alot more damage. And his 2K,P string. Yea you can evade, but that shit is hella delayable and it hella tracks when you delay it in both directons. And if they get hit by the P part too much then they will block, which means you can cancel out of the string and go into something else all together. Risky hell yes when finishing the P pat of 2K,P. But too say that its guaranteed evade punishment after 2K, not so much.

yeah...

I agree with a lot ofthat. I think it highlights the real issue for him and shows his strengths. He has good damage on hard reads, and pretty good Oki and whiff punish. The other case is that he needs the guess in situations when other chars can cover multiple options with one move. This just shows he is a very straightforward char. I feel like if I had stuck to someone else all this time I might win more but I wouldn't have actually improved much. His risk and reward is extreme but that is pretty central to Vf as a game.

Denkai? More like Dencry...

Just another char that supposed to "suck". Cats just need to Ring her out.

I'm going to rewatch that taka vs eileen set. Maichi was soo good in it.

If Jeffry and Eileen had a child together, it would be named DAN.