@VFhayato

Damn you right.

My Theme SONG!

I have no clue what just happened here, but I just want to say that Shiny smells like an orangutan's left foot.

Don't ask how I know the difference between that and the right.

Still the better goh player!

Congraturation, SlimyBrentford. 3K'ing your way to top and making us all throw up in our mouths while doing so.

"Work smart not hard" that's my motto.

OMG, I am on Shiny's side here... I can hardly believe it. While I feel Shiny is not the kindest person in the world ( I have also thrown up in his mouth) I certainly care much more about his VF skill, which he certainly has, this is when I feel compelled to speak up, Shiny talks smack in his attempt to either shake one up into getting better-or-stop playing cuz you dont take it serously... I agree with these goals, even if I dont think it always works.

But where does that leave someone that just wants to play VF without being "hardcore" ?

I honestly dont know. and truthfully I may not care. At a certain point , ignorance of the art and science of VF becomes disrespectful to many of its true fans. I think this is the root of the hostility ( imo ).

Crashem I think you escalated this more than youre willing to admit. And Im glad that Shiny is out there being the "bad" guy ; forcing us to put up or shut up.

It's okay to choose sides, but don't try to tell me I escalated something I tried to drop.

Trash talk is okay. It's healthy. But this wasn't just 'trash talk;' it was a legitimate problem between two people over some schoolyard shit (talking badly about one's friends) that, unfortunately, turned into something more. But it's over now, and that's what matters.

As for people being the 'bad guy' in any situation, who wants to be forced to do anything? We all share a common goal: we just wanna love VF. We should be allowed to do that without falling into all this stuff.

And, as for @ShinyBrentford, I somehow doubt he set out to be a 'bad guy.' He just speaks his mind. I ONLY had a problem with that when it was targeted at me (and once when it was just a little ridiculous, heh). Otherwise, he's a good Goh player, and that's that. And, no, I don't have a better word for it than 'good' because I've never played him in his home court, which is offline VF.

Anyway, I think we need to stop viewing this as 'one side versus the other,' and just start appreciating the fact that we're all trying to captain the same ship that's been sinking for years and years, now. As hokey as that might be for me to say, it's what I feel is the truth.

We're all here for the same damn game.

Point taken Crash, I would argue that "what" we do as part of VF community is just as important if not more so then simply "being" part of the community. As for any further discussion. Its prob best to continue privately and not involve the whole thread.

Yeah, on that, I tried to get it done that way. Didn't work. Oh, well! Maybe this is the 'excitement' people want, heheh.

One last comment before I retire here.

I want to be forced. I respect others that want to be forced. I dont really have any prob with someone that doesnt , I just relate better (VF wise) to someone that does want to get better and understands that getting better often means being pushed out of comfort zones.

The eastern saying of " Your opponent is your greatest ally, only he will tell you the truth. Where you are strong, where you are weak. They are your greatest teacher."

And that's a good point. Me? I don't wanna be forced. The only VF you could force me to play is VF2, and that'd be doing me a favor, haha. Everyone runs at different speeds, yeah? And I think everyone should get together and try to nurture that.

Your hating on the fact that shiny is using an amazing tool in goh's roster!?
I'm confused, maybe 3k is the new 2p?

As a wise man told me once, "learn the weakness and blow it up!"

Hell, even old school Jacky's in older vfs used a 5-6 move playstyle.

Elbow, kick, elbow, kick, 4K, 4K, 4K, Faster n' lightnin'

This discussion is so remarkably similar to an actual match against SmellyBrentford...messy, annoying, and everyone upset in the end.

Stop setting off the Shiny bombs. The guy feeds on your ass-tears.

Lets be real the only one that gets upset is you Seminasuke.

This what I get for throwing the scrubs a bone. Fine I'm taking the bone back. VF live is just a circle jerk. Just a bunch of guys jerking each other off saying GGS and not getting any better. Hiding behind the "I lost cause I don't take this game seriously" mentality. The only reason anybody pay you attention recently is cause I brought it up on this thread. I was all about pushing you guys during the break, but you guys got butthurt cause I said and I quote "I would shit on @CRASHEM8000 " I guess Crash gives the best Jibbers.

Whenever there's nobody good in rank and @Jacko, @BLACKSTAR, @BBountyHuntyr might joins your little tourney and it's turns out free. Your Strongest player is a Aoi from the Caribbean using lag tactics(unknowingly). I understand he just taking the matches where he can get them, but lets be real. That guy will tenchi at -20. Any tourney where Crash makes 3rd is pretty weak. For a guy that doesn't take this seriously sure does make a lot a status updates. I think you just did 5 since I made this post.

I'm all about more VF streams, but you guys are so bad that if other players watched it, it's just going to make them think VF is boring and send them back to MKX. LBH if 1FK streams on the same day and time as VFlive who do you think the VFC would watch? Don't answer the question. It's rhetorical.

I remember one of your guys got mad at @BBountyHuntyr cause he streamed his set and got more views on his stream then your youtube channel. ROFL! You should have been happy he graced your tourney with his presence. You think your going to make money off this? Do you think @BLACKSTAR or @cruzlink2 does this to make money? They do it to get VF matches out there. They will push anything that's VF for free.

With all this being said VFLive is beneath me and not worth watching unless a good players joins in even then you would just be watching them masturbate on stream with all those free wins.

Hmm... Nope, no comment. Not even gonna touch this one.

You can't say shit Crash. Very well said, @ShinyBrentford.