Stepping?

nitaku as i technically understand it is when you cant move from a throw by using /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif//forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif. meaning you (in it's basic form)guess between throw or attack. this state begins at -6.

what you are referring to at -7 which ive already covered is that crouch dash (fuzzy guard) breaks nitaku by 1 frame to defeat both reactions as it did in vf4.

you are right if you tell me you can move from a throw up to -7, but it's not where nitaku begins as i understand it.

 

but if you /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif at -6, the opponent's throw will whiff and their attack will be blocked! why would you think of backdashing or ducking if you KNOW ur at -6??? NITAKU is japanese for "two choice."

SEE? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

Depending on the pushback / range of a given move, stepping (backdash ~ evade) at -6 can get you away from mid, throw, lowthrow, and lowpunch; whereas fuzzy guard will lose to the last two options.

(I'm biting my tongue on the "vf4 fuzzy guard breaks nitaku also" claim; both sides of that argument have been done to death in other threads)

 

Sometimes you can't backdash throws even at -3...

 

fuzzy guard was a discovery to beat the choice game of Nitaku and replace ETEG.

-Nitaku is not fuzzy guard.

-Nitaku starts at -6

there's a clear cut explanation. nobody denied that you can [edit: crouch dash ] a throw at -6, but for gwwwwad daayng dar-n-tootns sake i merely sectioned the definition. can we stop beating the dead horse?

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not that i even brought the subject up, but just to clarify again, that the issue has been there since VF4 for example wolf's df+k which could be distanced to avoid throw range.

but if we are talking about backdash/evade over backwards crouchdash then im puzzled.

 

f you can cd fuzzy guard at -6 then it is not yet a guessing game between mid or throw, wich i believe is the definition of nitaku.

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teah true nitaku begins at -7,,,anything lower than that its just mindgames and properties of moves that you can use for you advantage....this may be confusing..

 

whoa now i understand BK is talking about range at -7 you can be out of range of a throw in which ther is no nitaku. While examining frames you also have to examine spacing other variables.

 

thank you so much I've had my eyes opened up to YET another technique that I had no idea about Thank you again!

 

I can't get that to work me. What's the timing on that?

 

<u>It dosen't work like that.</u>

The old vf4 step was /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif_/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif is to reset from crouch to rinse and repeat. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is added at the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif as a fuzzy or with modified moves such as akira's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif(Doublepalm).

In vf5 I have been shown the true step is:
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif_/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif_/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif. It seems to work smoother, but what a waste of time and effort. If it isn't preformed this way it looks as if a failed evade is taken place.

FORGET STEPPING &
FOCUS ON FUNDAMENTALS!

Peace^-^

 

Hey guys the notation i did right there was just to illustrate a smooth way of doing it. Like rolling the stick from up or down, to back or forward and tapping back or forward again all in a fast motion.

Either way I stopped using that, and skipped all ways of shortcutting it.

Kaminari:

Haha forget stepping?? It's worked alot for me and keeps Sarah out of alot of trouble in certain points. It's to where I'll be doing it to some people, and then they start trying it too while playing. It's a big part of my low strikes, the reach on 2K+G man, the reach. EDIT: Dammit, is it really not worth it???

On a side note, speaking of fundamentals...

yoooo I got a Step Stance set up you gotta see, also, NORI438 posted a new video on youtube that shows some serious use of K+G and a Step Stance crumple with it(which actually led me to finding out this other Step Stance set up I'll show you next time).

 

I think that's exactly what it was.

Haha I thought I was doing that, and I think THAT is why I was screwing it up too much. When I stopped I became more consistent. or something. Yeah, I thought that's what I was doing when I did it right, but then I figured it out.

 

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If you can duck the throw at -6, then how is this a nitaku situation?

Contradiction FTW!

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horse was burned alive and used for soup

 

Stepping is for girls, and girls have cooties. Why else would you wiggle the stick so fast?


<s>Stepping is really only useful for distance control and baiting at mid to long distances. It's otherwise detrimental to do stepping where you need to correctly and timely apply nitaku/guaranteed counters/defensive techs/etc.</s>

 

is ARM movement affected by dashes btw? i.e. can eileen step faster since she has the fastest arm? I've found stepping to be useful at a distance but gets me into trouble up close. It's also useful for retreating. Other than that it's only really good against other people who are stepping.

 

yeah great idea, please KoD if you read this,
just so we know if any form of minami step is possible under this system (even if not humanly possible)