SoCal Q1 2007 - Results - Aftermath - Shoutouts

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Thanks for that post Namflow, I didn't know much at all about your history since I had "taken a break" from VF and fighting games in general during VF4 until just recently. Part of that was not reading the forums much. Though I made guest appearances on the General Forum

That said, I can understand where you feel that "he played quite a bit in Japan" becomes an excuse. But personally, I was excited to see the added competition that you brought in SoCal.

You're a highly skilled player and you built that yourself. I admit that in my mind, I did consider you a "Japanese player" out of ignorance, but... the way I saw it... "This is a very good player who also hung in there in the extremely harsh (and expensive) Japanese scene. I am glad to see more players bringing back both the skill and the experience."

It is a problem if anybody takes away the skill and dedication that you and Yosuke have as Virtua Fighter players, by over-focusing on your experiences playing in Japan. But at the same time, it's a huge testament to your skills to see how wonderful you guys play in person AND knowing that you guys have also proven yourself in the VF mecca that is the Japanese arcade scenes. While some people will miss that point, there's a lot of us that don't.

Ice-9 and I commented to each other at LA Akira's how we liked watching you play. We definitely admired your skill, but we did also really appreciate what we were learning from watching you play. On top of your skill, your experience was really showing and we were picking up things just watching you play.

Honestly, it was sort of an eye opening experience playing against you. I couldn't figure out what it was at the time, but knowing your history now... I know what it was that seemed familiar about fighting against you. I was like "this guy is really, really good. Great experience too. But something about how he plays reminds me of the type of matches I had when I went to NYC a long time ago." You are a North American VFer.

While I give a big tip of my hat off to your experience, I give a huge tip off to your game too. You're a lot of fun to play against and a lot of fun to watch! You're also a very open and sharing person. I was really glad you made it to Saturday and Sunday!

I would also like to mention something on Yosuke. As far as VF5 goes, Yosuke is a "Seattle player." What amazes me about his game is seeing what it means to be fundamentally superior. What I mean by that is... Yosuke's fundamentals in VF are like on another level from what I've seen in person before. I've never been to Japan or Korea and what not. But it's hard for me to describe what I saw in person and felt when I played against him. Somebody cue the cheezy music and raise the hyperbole alarm because, in some ways, it was like some weird form of enlightenment for me. It was like "this is what it means to be fundamentally sound on another level... this guy can even take the information off of a message board post in Japan and translate it properly into how it'll play, with a tad bit of practice he'll be using it... he'll know almost everything he should do, or at least figure it out, and he can still play creatively with it too. I thought VF flowed a certain way, I didn't have a clue."

So I'm obviously gushing all over Yosuke and I'm sure this post has now rendered him extremely shy. He might even be upset with me for making him sound like the God of VF when he is a student of VF like most of us (sorry Yosuke! I'm not trying to embarass you!). To put it all in perspective, yeah, there are a few hundred players above him in Japan too. But for me personally, it was eye opening to see his game in person too. Especially considering his lack of experience. It was also crazy watching what he does in training mode and single player mode (like how he practices).

But here's the point about Yosuke being a "Seattle player." His experience with VF5 was definitely confined and you can see it, but you can see how he plays on pure skill, raw talent, and yes--hard work (again, it was crazy watching the guy practice for the singles tournament on training mode and single player matches). Almost everything he's learned about VF5 has been limited to what he can learn on his time in North America. Fortunately there's online access so he can read up on things online, but it's all theoretical until he puts it into practice, which he can only really do in the domestic scene. Like Namflow raising his pre-VF5 game in North America, Yosuke's doing the same thing with VF5.

Again, at the risk of getting yelled at by him... On top of amazing input control/precision/speed, being able to see things for what they are, sharp instincts, and having lots of amazing talent--the guy has finely tuned fundamentals that I can only imagine comes from lots of hard work too. Things that can only be worked on by the player themself, not a scene. But again, he is a student of VF, and I can happily call him a North American VFer /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

...Especially when El Blaze or Eileen come along the way... okay, Yosuke might kill me now /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif I was kidding, kidding!

There were so many highlights at SoCal Q1 2007!!! Namflow and Yosuke were definitely in there. And they represent two different types of "North American VFers" that we're all proud to have as "North American VFers."

Sigh... I'm way overdue on the shoutouts and props...

-Chanchai

 

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*cue violins*

OMG... my "God of VF" impression is TAINTED!!!

I'm sorry Uncle Ben... I am Yotaku... no more!

/cries

-Chanchai

(no, seriously, I'm just playin'... err, not that CandySoft game.... hmmm.... mmmnnn.... soft candy.... *drools*... Don't forget 7/27/2007...)

 

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It's no excuse -- when I lose to you, I don't think, "Oh that's because he's a Japanese player," I think "Oh he's a better player than me, certainly for that match." So I hope you don't feel the label is meant to denigrate your skill, because I certainly don't mean to.

Labeling someone a Japanese player means that they are, as Srider mentioned, more exposed to a wider variety of styles and characters. I think there's no question being in Japan automatically means one is a good player, but it is very, very hard to be a great player without being in Japan.

Yosuke is a good example of the difference between a Japanese player and an American player. Yosuke feels he hardly plays any more -- welcome to America! That is the level of exposure and intensity that most American VFers get. If Yosuke sticks around here for a few more years he just might be considered an American VFer.

 

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Absolutely.

I lived in Japan for one year, and while I did play VF regularly, I didn't devote the time and energy necessary to be the best I could. I did get exposed to a variety of strong players, but just having the environment isn't enough. You have to rise to the challenge as well.

Let's stop this "Japanese player" nonsense? I like to joke about the "Japanese button" or whatever, but it shouldn't refer to anything but the player's ethnicity/nationality.

 

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Japanese Players have a different culture for VF. If you are westerner and join a Japanese VF culture you are a Japanese Player. There are two main types of players, feeling players and knowledge players. In Japan both types of players understand why a strategy is working. The basic system knowledge for Japanese Players is strong.

I am not a strong player. I believe western players should use more basic 5 techniques like OM very controlled. For example: 4/27 Match 99 Azusabo Lau and Aoi

Like KTTallguy said if you do not devote the time to get good when you are having competition you are not going to be good from Japan only.

 

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Well Namflow's words are inspiring, being exposed to the large player base in Japan definitely will improve anyone's game given that someone has the committment and dedication. I mean obviously you could be in japan and not play the game and won't get better duh... but there are people who aren't in japan that have higher committment than some people in japan but they aren't as good because of the lack of competition. You can't get better if you don't have anyone to play with...
That being said Namflow definitely a USA player, he was raping people since NYC Topgun, but has being in japan improved his game? I would say so. And Yosuke is Japanese player because there's no way in hell someone could get THAT GOOD without actually being Japanese. The Japanese button exists! you just don't know it cuz you aren't. Anyone who believes they can defeat Japan in Virtua Fighter is foolish, and will fail in misery.

 

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I have not met such stupid people as you. Even Japanese will not say they are good in VF because they are Japanese race.

 

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Not all Japanese people are modest don't make general statements

 

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shang.........


People need to stop with this whole japanese player thing

 

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This is true, but for a few Japanese who believe they are good only because they are Japanese, they are very stupid too. I did not say this makes Japanese modest, though many Japanese people from the culture are modest.

 

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Azusabo, you keep on calling this stupid and that stupid with some lame 1 liner juvenile remark behind it. you sound like a stupid idiots with a tiny brain that can't process more that 10 lines of english text at once. The only thing you remember is the last 2 sentences when I said clearly being in Japan doesn't automatically make you a good player previously. All your 10 posts on VFDC are some one liner garbage filled with incertitude. So are you too stupid to type more than 2 sentences in one sitting after reading 10 lines of text???? If you can't fucking understand my regards to Yosuke's skill is nothing but pure admiration then you are either lost in some fucked up culture bullshit or you are just plainly a stupid fuck. Either way you are fucked up. Anyways you sound like a japanese, how about if you follow the modest routine and be a little more modest?
Oh by the way, Let me give you a great tip in life: If you are a stupid fuck (which you are if you forget already since that was 3 sentences ago), learn how to shut the fuck up for awhile before you open your mouth so people will think you have at least average intelligence.

 

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I have read that everybody dislikes you. I don't think someone like Yosuke can understand your admiration because you said there is no way someone like Yosuke can be so good without being Japanese.

 

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Actually, a lot of people like Shang. He's just bat-shit crazy when he posts online

 

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man you are so fucking stupid, how did you ever live this long without slipping on some stairs and break you neck?

 

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It is very easy. I am avoiding the advice of people like you.

 

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Azusabo, many people have attempted this battle - many have failed.

You are Rocky Balboa having been knocked the fuck out in the 14th by Apollo Creed and I am your Mickey telling you to "stay down..."

We don't need the unnecessary sequels. Catch my drift?

 

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And I'm the voice from Mortal Kombat telling Shang:
FINISH HIMM!!!