should vfx be simpler

Re: A step in the wrong direction

>is there any reason for these comments?

for me, at least, your post was ludicrous. i made my counterpoint, and i was given no reason at all to think that you were just being silly.

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"A chem bla deshembla blurr fuh bli fouzh"

 

Re: A step in the wrong direction

Even if I wasn't being silly there is no need to respond so harshly.

-Emil

 

Re: A step in the wrong direction

that's up to me.

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"A chem bla deshembla blurr fuh bli fouzh"

 

Re: A sad state of affairs(this one)

Maybe Llan was being honest in that he is not aware of your knowledge, understanding, and experience of VF2. I'm not trying to act against you here, but I didn't see any real heavy sign of him poking at you. I only see it if you add special meaning to the words, but there wasn't any real textual evidence. At least not that I'm aware of. That's what makes text so vague. But I think he would have said more than just that if he really, and I mean really, wanted to upset you.

Back to the topic, if I have any hopes in VFX at all, it's just that there aren't compromises... That's sort of a subjective statement, but I just hope the game doesn't bend back far enough to shove its head up its ass. I don't even really want it to bend back at all, but if it does, so be it. I'm not the one designing the game. I'm just gonna wait and see and open my arms at least initially.

-Chanchai

P.S. Chanchai still hasn't learned the lesson of getting your nose out of other people's business... I know that Llanfair can fend for himself, I wasn't intending on defending him. Just expressed what I thought on the matter. Anyways, how's VF been treating ya Emil? I didn't realize it was you until earlier today/images/icons/tongue.gif

 

I don't think so...

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I think you would rather ridicule my opinions and mock me than analyze and discuss my opinions. Hopefully I'm wrong about this.

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You are wrong about this Chanchai couldn't have put it better actually - I have absolutely no knowledge of your VF2 experiences. I have never seen you play it and/or talk about it. As far as this thread is concerned, VF2 was brought up because I originally stated I felt VF3 had a lower learning curve than VF3 and that VF3 was (in context of this thread) a dumbed down VF2. GodEater made a good point by bringing up Suzuki's vision for VF3 as being better for more than just hardcore gamers and thus had made the game 'easier'.

Now, as far as the comments are concerned - c'mon Emil, one sarcastic comment always deserves another To be perfectly honest, the hint of sarcasm in your original post was rather ambiguous. Because this is text, it's difficult to read into (no pun) what people are trying to say and how they are saying it.

Y'know, discussion is welcomed on this board - so bring on your VF2isms - I'd love to hear them.
Never have I eluded to indicating (or would want to indicate) that VF2 was better than VF3. I love VF2, I also really like VF3. Had I a choice to play either one, which would I pick? Both!

cheers,


<font color=white> Llanfair the prized <font color=green>cabbage</font color=green></font color=white>

 

Re: movement problems?

so it comes back to the same problem jtx put up.....
how to get mass market appeal while retaining your hardcore fans?
i do agree with chanchai's post (informed gamers that one) about product support. i think thats one of the most important selling points of a game. promote it, support it and let word of mouth do the walking. ^_^
btw if u look back on sega's history, most of their losses were due to bad marketing than any other reason...

 

Re: Emil???

I was very appreciate this web site can provide alot of information and video for all of us.

This not a War area, in the end we are here because we Love VF. I really hope here will not become a second R.G.V.A.
That was bad.

And u Emil, u start to depend VF3 is the most skillful game, that's fine. But U have give as your POINT to support your opinion.

Timing, location ,... is very important, why don't we wait the new game come out. New game, new competition.

A good example is there is someone comes out after 2years when the game come to the end , recording people 's style, pratice and come out to say they are the best with no honour...

I really hope this will not happen in VFX.

Honest is very import and I understand Your feeling, you are the latest guy play VF, and u really don't want to admit the game that u play is too old or u are too late because u spent your time, your money and your life and maybe within the game will let u feel successful.

When I was same as your age, I also very easy to piss off, but please clam down and let's stop this pointless arguement.

(wait until the next game to proof your-self).

Joshun

 

Re: movement problems?

>how to get mass market appeal while retaining your hardcore fans?

you can't. the two are mutually exclusive in any and all areas, VF and everything else. it's a rule of life.

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"A chem bla deshembla blurr fuh bli fouzh"

 

Now way...ohh my good how many posts here from the loyal VF-fanatics...........V.F IS THE HOLY GREAL(wrong written) OF ALL 3D FIGHTERS this game was inspiering all others no way you can dinie that........(I don't ant to start to tell all things that were copyed or borought from VF-series...believe me it's a lot..certanly you know..).......V.F should go it's on way and not be inffluenced off saga's bad financial state.....outside of japan probably it would be to late to do that(but if you consider that sega is doing bad in japan and VF2 sold itself 1.8MIo times maybe this could be the right medicine for the japanese dreamcast market..).......If they want to create a new spectacular easyfighter they should start all over with the soul calibur-paradigma...that would be a wiser decission..........

brumm,brumm,brumm..I'm just looking for my sister.

 

Re: A step in the wrong direction

Your right THE THINKING MAN's FIGHTER shouldn't become THE STUPID MAN's FIGHTER.........(dont want to stand on someones feet........even if easy doesn't mean for stupid people.)

brumm,brumm,brumm,....

 

Re: A step in the wrong direction

Nascar Byrant I hope English is your second or third language otherwise this is inexcusable. they have spell check for goodness sake

Under the surface of the most jaded cynic lies a dissappointed idealist- George Carlin

 

Re: A sad state of affairs(this one)

Don't worry too much about it. Mr Bungle is the only person who hurls insults in this board as far as I can tell. BUT everyone else is very, very nice. So, please dont feel everyone is against you. Just learn to ignore the one persons insults

 

Re: A sad state of affairs(this one)

and _fucking_ proud of it!

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"A chem bla deshembla blurr fuh bli fouzh"

 

Re: A sad state of affairs(this one)

and quite honestly, I think you should be. Now, lets all
take a breath here and let me get this out without anyone
blowing a blood vessel.

The truth is that sometimes people here can be too nice
and accomodating on the board. All that does is remove
responsibility from people who should otherwise have that
responsibility rammed down their throats. I'm all for
being nice and I certainly don't want a complete melt
down to occur on the board but the reality is a certain
type of social crippling occurs when civility is the
projected and (worse) mandated norm.

Remember MST? There was a lot more going on in her posts
than pissing off board members and taking advantage of
easy targets. There was a purpose. Now I'm not saying
that everything Mr. Bungle says has a higher purpose but
if you look at the majority of his responses he gets
"uncivil" when people want information at no cost (ie.
time spent looking on their own from resources located
on site), the inability to engage an argument (ie.
overlooking points, removing context or just simply
displaying sheer inability to parse sentences and
infer meaning)and so on.

You know...I know someone on this board who lies like
it was his occupation. Lies about himself, lies about
other people (which is far more reprehensible)...lies,
lies, lies. With Bungolio you always know what you're
getting. You're getting honesty and straighforwardness
not a facade and bullshit stories behind your back.

ehn...you know I meant to do this better. Most
people won't "get" what I'm trying to say from what
I've written here. The basic point is civility is
underated and for reasons that are too expansive to
go into in this Forum. appropriate reading:
Watchmen. A phenomenal book by Alan Moore and
Dave Gibbons.

No compromise. that should be a basic tenet of anyone
interested in moving past the baser matter that surrounds
us.

GE
I am being nice here, aren't I?

 

Re: A sad state of affairs(this one)

by the way, my saying the medium is wrong (or
limited) for this type of argument is not a
cop out. If anyone would like to debate this
on a bigger level I'll gladly hash it out with
them: <a href =mailto:godeater@canada.com> GE</a>

GE

 

Re: A step in the wrong direction

actually it's my fourth or fifth language (mother:spanish, father:italian, i live in switzerland:german, and i learnd english and french in school and on tv)...........

P.S so you can see that i'm quite confused in my head...okay i will check my spelling as often as possible ..........

brumm,brumm,brumm,.............allright...

 

Re: A step in the wrong direction

well it understandable nascar bryant English is a very complex language with all its contradicting rules and so forth.

Under the surface of the most jaded cynic lies a dissappointed idealist- George Carlin

 

Re: A step in the wrong direction

Thank you for the compliment.............

brumm,brumm,brumm,........some day when netplay becomes reality, jacky will also kick your ass...........

 

Re: A sad state of affairs(this one)

Being direct and honest is cool and all, but i don't think one has to be condescending at the same time. I think consistency between online and offline personalities is very important, and as straightforward and honest as Bungolio is, i don't think he is even half as uncivil or condescending in person, as he is online...



<font color=red>ORA! ORA! ORA!</font color=red>

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Re: A sad state of affairs(this one)

Yep, and as Mr. Bungalo might mention in a conversation... Don't let online personalities fool you. Don't really go against them or anything either...

Generally, some people act the same online and some people act different online. Just acknowledge that and try to make no expectations of a person based purely on online personality.

Besides, I know a lot of people get some interesting perception of me online. Not to mention that everyone seemed to have this impression that Bungle would kick my ass in person or something like that, basically, people probably thought he was gonna say bad stuff about me or something.

Online personalities aren't real. For some, they may do well to represent a person. For some, they'll show only the negative thoughts or jokes a person wants to say but doesn't usually say. For some, it's a fictional entity that one would want to present into a community without having an effect on his or her own "real" environment. It goes on... Just keep in mind that online is mostly consisting of words... Many people would not feel comfortable chatting online with webcams showing their expressions (while quite a few would)... It's all just words words words... Stripped of the gestures we become accustomed to when we talk to a person formally or shake hands with them and what not... Some people manipulate the words to paint a picture, it's only a picture... A picture may say a thousand words, but it's not a complete factual record. Anyways... the conversations we have online are usually pretty real, but keep in mind that in situations of conversations, words don't replace the actual experience of meeting a person and taking the time to converse with them directly.

Anyways, keep in mind that words are a great way of communication... However, a background to the nature of the words, an understanding of the intention of the words, and generally the context of the words are needed to understand properly what it's used for. Therefore, we can have strong communication or art through words. But if you're trying to use those words to get ot know a person, that's where you are most likely mistaken except in some cases where a person might really do well to portray themselves in words. But even that is only an aspect you can find, if you're trying to get to know people, nothing beats meeting them in person (though some people might be best to avoid, but you never know until you meet them, no matter how they act online).

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by Chanchai on 11/3/00 06:49 PM.</FONT></P>