Shenanigans & Magic

Maybe we could ask for certain notations to be added to characters' command lists. Just a simple: Avoids lows/highs +some mids, or something?

 

Wtf is "crouch" and "tech crouch" just call it crushes and have it nice and simple.

Even DoA uses the term crush -- don't think it's just panda loving Tekken players that do!!

All sabaki type moves can be classed as crushes aswell.

As for beating Akira's low backfist I'm pretty sure Sarah's Serpent Smash can hit that because the kick sweeps the floor before becoming active.

It would be pretty crazy to expect somebody to do that move vs Akira though especially after his P,K,G shenanigans.

Off topic: If I ever get back on stick I think I might want to learn Akira actually. I love the fact that he has double fisted strike to beat tech rolls and if blocked it's only -4! (I also want to break some guards like a tramp, lol)

 

... uh.....no. Sabaki is something completely different. Or maybe we should say that reversals CRUSH attacks too? FYI there's sabakis in Tekken and DOA too and they're called....sabakis.

BTW, as far as I know, crush in VF is when attacks double collide -> strongest attack wins.

Crouch and tech crouch are good because....they make sense.

 

I wouldn't worry about stuff such as low moves avoiding highs. That's been the case for VF for a while now. I'm talking about specific mids such as Akira's + or particular stances. I think Marly is correct in that shouldn't be too high for each character.

Lion's avoids highs too.

 

Thats why I said HIGHcrush

 

I know there are sabaki's in DOA aswell (although they are not handed out as welfare in DOA as they are in VF)

But you guys saying that a sabaki is NOT a crush is just wrong...

You must remember that what a crush is is a move that has priority over a type/class of move that will always beat out that move. By that definition a sabaki IS a crush.

The difference between a sabaki type move and a standard crush is that crushes normally beat a certain height of move i.e. high/mid/low crushes and that also as far as VF goes sabaki's have active frames where they will beat/crush (call it what you will) while also being a "normal" move is there is no sabaki-able type of move being thrown at it during the active frames.

I think you're also missing out a different type of crush in VF which would be throw crush (moves that beat throw clash).

I believe (all) moves that beat throw clash are moves that class your character as airborne so they can't be thrown.

An example would be Sarah's 9K (which works superbly in some instances btw; such as when beating throw clash then you get a free juggle off of it and beating wake up kicks due to its high active frames then again getting a free juggle off of it).

Edit for missing out a word.

 

Crush is generally referring to a move that avoids a certain type of attacks due to its hitboxes. If a sabaki does this, then its also a crush move. Example: Vanessas DS ducks highs.

And word always is wrong on both accounts. Sabakis have active frames, crushmoves don't always work but they have windows as well when they work. (Akiras + and ++ )

 

A sabaki is a sabaki, just like a reversal is a reversal, a parry is a parry etc. It does not beat the moves it does on any form of priority (priority must be the most overused word in fighting games and 99% of the time it's used the wrong way), it beats it because it's a sabaki. Hence the animation where the opponent gets deflected away.

Moves that beats throw clash are (not 100% consistently here) moves that are backturned, ducking or airbourne.

Seriously, the word crush is unnecessary. How about using something more technical and cryptic like "it ducks highs" or it "jumps over lows" like we have done the last xxxx years? Especially when the word "crush" in VF is used for something else.

 

Thanks for the tip about BT attacks beating throw clash I didn't actually know that.

Ducking type moves of course would beat throw clash though.

Anyone know up to what disadvantage you can use crouching lows before you are forced to use an airbourne attack or does the 6f rule for becoming crouched not apply here?

Edit: I'm watching your videos of when you played in Japan now! very pleasing to the eye!

Couple of questions about that though is there anyway I can get like a playlist of these videos so they play 1 after another? Because I know that's happened on a few videos I've clicked on on youtube - the rest of the videos come on right after it.

People on this site say recovering from a fall (exact recover/TR) is the worst disadvantage in the game? Why do I see you and the other players recovering with TR's in these videos then?

 

That rule only concerns crouching by d+G (its 7f btw) and crouchdash (6f). If a move techcrouches the frames can be whatever.

 

you're right. It's at -6 when you have to CDFG. So Manji are you saying that I can use a crouch/tech crouch move to beat throw clash at up to -11?

 

If you just lie down every time people can punish you with ground hitting attacks. Tech rolling is safer, but you're also at a big disadvantage. A good idea is to mix it up a little and also have a good awareness of the stage, tech rolling can be extra dangerous near the edge of the stages.

 

Hazzerone. Yep that's exactly what it is. That's why one of the universal techcrouching move, , can get you out of this situation, but it's very risky, someone might do a mid which you would most likely eat on CH. It's still a good option when you suspect a throw at big disadv.

 

You almost made it to my signature.

 

Lol, right you are Thanks

 

My DS has sometimes provoked a crouch stagger by counter-hitting Akira's or .

My DS has never provoked a crouch stagger by counter-hitting Akira's or () .

 

Since my joke apparently went past people, mind explaining the difference between a tech crouch move and 'crouching move'.

Tech crouch afaik means that the move crouches during its animation, and because low punch does that from its first frame then it by my definition is a tech crouch move.. Whether the move recovers standing or crouching is kind of irrelevant.