Proof that Kage is a cheap motherfucker!

Jerky I'm amazed at how much pride you take on your vf4 jacky when it's the vf5 era. You admitted you know shit about vf5. I think I said it pretty clearly, but let me repeat:

YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO OKAY IN BOSTON.. BUT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RAPE YOU CUZ YOU ARE A CLUELESS MOTHERFUCKER WHEN IT COMES TO VF5.

I'd be laughing when some random blaze owns you. Keep on crying. I'm sorry I feel no sympathic for you, you aren't going to be serious for vf5 with your attitude. Why don't you retired and just be a social player or some shit?

 

I love you too Shang. *sigh*

 

Oh BTW, last time we played... I was trying new stuff if you are too clueless. You realize after I finished cleaning the house, you weren't winning?? Wake up, your jacky sucks.

 

i don't know what's more pitiful... the fact that i just read this whole post, or the fact that you all wrote it.

talk about passion....

 

The "Boston Tough Love" rules /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif That said, this is a very entertaining thread. And I would definitely say that at the American level of VF... Kage is crazy strong.

As Shang illustrated, Kage's strengths really play into beating down the weaknesses of almost every American VF player that I've seen. But as Hyun implied, it's best to just acknowledge how strong Kage is under the context of our level of competition and rise above all this. Easier said than done, though.

Question to Shang though: If Kage uses /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, even if it hits, doesn't the opponent have an advantage on Kage right away? Granted, nobody did much to support this idea of the advantage in SoCal because your Kage was doing this all the time without much punishment--but I can't help but feel Kage is at a good disadvantage when the opponent does QR/TR.

In all honesty, my biggest fear at either Evo West or Evo World has been Kage actually. In the Northwest, we simply don't have a dedicated Kage player yet. In fact, I'm the closest person to being a Kage player in Portland (which is not good, I play a VF3 style, VF4 Kage--none of the great VF4 stuff but a VF3 application of his VF4 movelist).

I would like to spend a couple months working on Kage to better understand him, but I'm so focused on fine-tuning my Lion so that:

-I don't stupidly miss guaranteed attacks
(I think Namflow, Denkai, and Shang are the only American players I've seen who have almost never dropped the ball on guaranteed attacks)

-I will have a better sense of situational analysis
(big problem for me and most North American players)

-I will maximize damage that's given
(my biggest weakness in the past, but it's probably the easiest to fix)

-I will play without scripting
(one of the biggest hurdles I've seen in Western VF--it almost feels imposible for me but I'm working hard on it, requires so much discipline and acknowledging that you'll be taking a lot of beatings while trying to fix this. Part of the reason this is so difficult in general is that if you can only play in relatively small scenes with few character specialization, you're just extremely prone to imbred play, and I feel that imbred play is the mother of awful habits in VF. And yet it's so hard to tell yourself not to jump the gun if you know what your opponent will fall for. It's so easy to get so damn lazy.)

Fortunately, Yosuke does a wonderful job showing us scary as hell Kage play. He'll be back training in Japan in a couple weeks though...

-Chanchai

P.S. BKK Rules!

 

the best thing you can do is learn kage. he is a hard character to beat for alot of reasons. unfortunately we dont have arcades like in japan. i really miss the arcade scene. the biggest reason i dont like fighting kage is his fucking moves are so unpredictable. you just dont know whats going to come at you. his moves come out like a switch blade and you dont know if its going to be a high attack a mid or low or even a throw.

saying that he is beatable. try diffrent tactics like for example pushing the pace. try your best not to let him unleash his moves but like i said the best way to learn how to beat a character is to learn the character. so shang since you know how to play kage so well at least you have a better chance beating him than someone who doesnt know how to play him.

 

Unless against a wall or RO, even on counter hit with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif Kage can be punished, guaranteed! If people have trouble dealing with that move it's no wonder Kage is perceived as too strong. Average American VF = SUXORS.

 

Remember that most of Kage attacks are all Mid. If he isn't in a stance all of his lows are weak and slow besides the standard Down K. When fighting against kage be worry of ducking too often.

 

Yes the average american players does suck compare to japanese level, but that's how it is. You can thank Sega for this. ff+pkg isn't so bad once you learn how to counter it, but guess what... the only person I played that could do it properly is Jerky, and that because I told him how to do it. You can easily drain 80points on kage if 1, you didn't hit a wall and 2 you didn't get KOed, but no Kage will just randomly throw out this move unless he can KO you or your back is against a wall or ring. You guys are missing my point, I was more referring in the learning curve. Kage can be played effective to mid level with very little effort. By mid level I mean the level all of us ever going to reach in the USA. In fact I doubt most people here can even grasp how high level vf play can be, I played a lot and I didn't until I played Japanese players. Anyone with basics can get good with Kage faster than anyone else, and can win with ease vs. people who are just as good or even better than him. Kage can do crazy shit no one else can, or with 3 moves. ice i promise you, if you only use 3 moves with wolf, you will not win like you could with Kage.. It's funny all these noobs talking about japanese level when they are a bunch of clueless idiots.

 

this seems to be more prombem with the scene than kage...





But seriously no character is cheap in vf5



Shang, a lot of characters are easy to get good at Lau, Jacky, and Kage in particular but once you study up on the character you shoudln't lose based on that your opponent chose kage but the fact that he/she is better player. Combine this with the fact people complain and dont bother to learn how to beat a character things like this pop up.



All that stuff you explained does not make kage cheap...



I cant imgaine of you guys played tekken or 3s where there really is cheapness. Players of that community have it way worser than we do but dont bitch nearly as much.

 

Good, feels like there's a meaning coming back to this site then exept reading noiseposts and your momma jokes.

Amen.

 

But Aoi can reverse... EVERY ATTACK!

OMFGCHEAP!

 

a thing that makes a kage mirror match hard for me is 2K+G
it kills my pace and had to rethink once too many in a match, but otherwise, playing against kage is just about adaptability.

i find it much harder to play against pai or shun.

aussies just like to poke so much that myke should just pick up pai instead. pfft.

 

Wow it took you so long to come up with such a fucking brilliant response: Hi my name is myke.. I’ll ban because I can’t come up with a convincing response!â€Â
It’s funny how you say I deliberately highlights the positive effects of Kage when you can’t come up with something better than the negative of the same moves. Nice one Nazi. And while you slam the ban hammer for me insulting people, those same people obviously are fucking clueless about the game, you go on a fucking ignorant rampage on defending kage while mumbling nonsense personal insults, LOL nice one Nazi

“Anyone with half a brain can recognise that this is simply not true.â€Â

Do you even read your own forum Myke? I hate to shatter you Kage wet dreams, but go back the 6 pages and you’ll see people who actually play the game agrees with me, Nazi. The only people who don’t agree are those who don’t play the game. Are you so fucking clueless you can’t tell who plays and who don’t from their post? In fact even the vet kage players were light on defending Kage here. Other than your randomly and pointless blabber, it has been established, at least in the USA, Kage is a cheap motherfucker. You are too late Nazi, you should have banned like 2 days ago.

And oh yea we all know Kage’s BT d+k is knee counterable, b+KKK has bad recovery.. I’m so fucking glad you can refer to the movelist and make a point when no one else can just go there and do the same thing.. OKAY!

You say I have unresolved issues with a videogame character? HAHAHAH HAHAHAH HAHAAHAH… HAHAHAHHA… Here we are when it’s obvious you are deluded from how cheap Kage is, you’ve committed your adult life on this character, making websites, kage videos, and defeating kage when the rest of the community is against you.. and you say I have issues?? ROFL.. PLEAZE! Take the kage cock out of your ass for 2 minutes and read this thread. Let me apology in advance that your deity is a cheap motherfucker.

Wake the fuck up from this Kage illusion dude; you admit Kage is easier to play other characters yourself. Think about WTF that means before you post. If I’m using Wolf, learn him for 30 days…WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I LOSE TO A KAGE WHO ONLY LEARNED FOR 3???!! This is called fucking CHEAP SHIT! It’s called imbalance. If you admit kage is easy to learn, easy to play, easy to win with how can you not realize he is a cheap motherfucker? Where’s your brain NAZI?

And finally, this website is yours obviously you can do whatever the fuck you want with it. But you have driven away just about every vet player that’s out there with your spoon feeding, noob friendly attitude. If you haven’t realized, this website is flooded by randomly idiots, fanboys, clueless motherfuckers who doesn’t give a shit about the game, the community. All they care about is having their pathetic little voice heard to justify a waste of a life. They ask the same fucking questions over and over, shit that has been covered again and again and again.. 90% of the traffic here is JUNK! Look at these fuckheads in the wolf thread asking how to do the 9+pk x2 on all characters for what a month?? When the fucking answer is right there on the 2nd page for the past SIX MONTH. Instead they choose to wait and have you spoon them. You think these people can get decent in the game, contribute to the community, and make VF more popular? Please Myke, wake the fuck up.

 

How do you propose to produce a game that is balanced not just for the best players, but every hypothetical skill matchup in between?

As long as the game provides a solution to a situation, the skill of the player is what decides the outcome.

 

and this shang is why myke has banned you. because you start insulting people and it goes on way to long. if VF5 is so damn cheap well i guess either your not that good or you shouldnt play it anymore. i play VF5 almost everyday with my friends and for hrs on end. yea kage is hard to beat but so is everyone else when used properly.

its called adjusting. like in a real martial arts fight. if what your doing is wrong then change your gameplan and learn from your mistakes. VF5 is so balanced for a fighting game. its like martial arts its not whos style is better its whos better with there style. as for you shang followers get a life. stand on your own two feet. he might be cool in person but hes a dick online.

he'll make a topic or post and if anyone disagrees he insults them. or if he disagrees with a topic or post he'll insult you. just cause you beat some people by doing the same old thing doesnt mean your going to beat everyone. all of us lose dude dont take it to the arse. shang if you wouldnt keep falling for the same shit over and over maybe you could beat kage. its called learning from your own mistakes. the rest of you quit following shang and stand on your own feet. try maybe growing a pair.

 

Shang I never directly responded to your post because frankly I don't have the time to get into a flamewar--and I bet others who did not speak against you probably thought the same way--but basically what we're talking about here is how easy Kage is to play at average "American" levels. Yeah...OK...true...but honestly who gives a fuck about that? Nobody who really cares would be playing this game to be average, and once you get to higher levels you realize Kage has some weaknesses that make him a relatively balanced character (or balanced at least relative Shun, Pai, Eileen and Lei Fei if you want to be Japanese about it).

 

for one alot of kages moves will hurt alot but leave him wide open and in my opinion hes not a fast character. if you have a friend and your having trouble against a certain situation or move ask him to practice it with you. thats what i do. i only want to get better so even when i beat someone i tell them what i did to beat them and how to counter it.

its only going to make me better having to find a new way to win. this is actually more whining than a actual topic.

 

I find Shang entertaining and he does bring up some good points, especially with the Wolf example(among other things), but he cn still go overboard(despite being entertaining). Besides, I don't think I would care to meet anyone who gets offended by someone over the internet and not play a game because of it.