Politics

Multiculturalism doesn't work if you promote tolerance of other cultures. This is because the opposite of intolerance isn't tolerance.

It works when you promote understanding of other cultures.

 

Let me point out a few things here. I have little qualm about saying that my own people, the Koreans (north or south doesn't matter in this case) are probably the most racist people on the planet. Very closely followed by the Japanese. Other East Asians can be bad racists as well but not as bad as the Koreans and the Japanese. South East Asia in particular has been the crossroad of many different cultures and nations for many centuries and are used to the idea of cross-cultural influences.


But let me tell you this. I believe that those racism will be the downfall of Japan and the Koreas. Look at what the "national pride" has done to North Korea as the first example. Then look at the shrinking population of South Korea and Japan. One thing that the US should be thankful is that it doesn't have the shrinking population problem plaguing most of the developed world. Nowhere is the problem as severe as in Japan and South Korea--two countries about to struggle with their own post-war babyboomer retirees.

I have quite a few more points to make but perhaps later.

 

Segregation, I believe is more like avoiding the problem at hand rather than facing it. Segregation will only lead to more problems in the long run, it will create more hatred within the younger generations. Racism will never be completely solved but that doesn't mean you should make the problem worse. Besides, if you remove races from each other then later on, you will have to separate people of different religions from each other as well and later on down the line even people of different political views. It will only make matters worse in the long run

 

Man I ALWAYS wanted VFDC to be a bastion for British National Party talking points

 

so hypnotic.

 

The most amazing thing Nick Griffin has ever done is convince people that his group of illiterate thuggish morons are an actual political party and not just some rabble of racist idiots. They're about as much of a political party as the laughable England Defense League.

There are plenty of stories about the racism that is rife in the BNP, but my mother told me a story one of her co-workers told her about her daughter. Her daughter was in a relationship with the son of Marlene Guest, my area's BNP representative, and he beat the daughter up simply because she'd had a black boyfriend before him. The daughter wanted out and wanted to move her stuff out, but was afraid, so her and her mother went to the police. The police were completely sympathetic as this was apparantly not the first time it had happened, and from what I recall, their solution was, in their words, to "send the two biggest, blackest officers they had" and if the son tried to start anything, they'd stop him.

She didn't have any trouble getting her stuff out.

 

Quick question Tengu how much of Anders Breivik's manifesto did you find yourself agreeing with? HINT: If it's greater than 0% then you are a complete idiot.

This racial separatism/nationalism that you mention is a key talking point of almost all racist groups in the US, so forgive me if I confused your position with a more nuanced brand of hatemongering. That you think white Europeans are a minority in their own countries is laughable. Do you even know the demographics of these countries or have you not stepped outside your fortified compound in a while?

 

So are you implying that it's a race thing and not an economic or environmental differences that makes us so different? Or are you implying that certain races are genetically programmed to be on the wanted list? What are you getting at exactly?

 

Probably some biotruths crapola about how people can only get along if they are part of the same "tribe". This is delineated along racial categories that were created by white Europeans thousands of years after tribalism, of course. Of course it has nothing to do with systemic racism, economic inequality or white privilege! It's only the natural order of things.

 

You can mention Elin Krantz and another person can mention Emmett Till. Mentioning people who was victimize is pointless. I expected you to answer my question the way you did.

" But statistics and according to my own experience, blacks tend to be more violent I'm afraid." Again why do you think this is? Don't answer it's rhetorical, I already know the answer. The only reason I've asked the question to begin with was to further analyze your ideology. I mean no harm, carry on posting your views as every opinion has a right to get out there. But at this point I'm now aware it's pretty much rubbish to me.

 

You know, before we blame the racial economic divide on plain old discrimination, it might help to take a look at why black people have a harder time getting hired. Now we all know there is one huge factor at play in terms of getting a job when low skill and manual labor jobs are disappearing, and that's education. Just look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States#Race . Now compare this to unemployment by race: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm . Notice a pattern?

Now there is something I have to explain regarding the numbers for the Latino population. If the correlation between college education and employment is real (and it is), then why are Latinos doing better than black people despite having a lower rate of college education? The answer is pretty simple when you think about it. The majority of Latinos living in America came here illegally because they were able to find work. If they are unable to find work, they won't have the money to stick around. Also, the fact so many Latinos are here illegally probably means the unemployment numbers are very underreported.

But as far as the numbers for the African American population go, the jobs numbers are exactly what you'd expect given the educations numbers. Does this mean racism isn't an issue? Well, no. There are a lot of historical factors, such as institutionalized racism, that have a very long tail. Even if absolutely no one in America was a racist today, wealth is typically inherited from generation to generation. Parents who are able to college are almost always able to afford to send their children there, while parents who weren't able to go to college usually can't. Factor in a lower parent to child ratio, and black people are clearly facing an uphill battle.

But, and I have to stress this, you really can't blame these factors on current government policy, college acceptance policies, or institutional hiring practices. The government has done a lot with affirmative action to try and reverse the disadvantages faced by African Americans. Universities these days often go out of their way to attract minorities. And the majority of people who are responsible for hiring workers, are not racists. At least not intentionally. But when you hire a worker, you are obligated to hire the most qualified person. If that person isn't black, there's not much you can do about it.

I'm not saying racism no longer exists, and I'm sure any black person in this country could easily cite a litany of instances in which they were unfairly discriminated against. But racism is decreasing, and yet black people are not doing much better economically despite this. I'm telling you, education is the answer. You correct the education imbalance, and the economic imbalance will disappear along with it. You correct the economic balance, and a lot of other problems associated with racism disappear as well. This may well happen on it's own without intervention, and the truth is regardless of the amount of intervention it will still take time for things to change. But look, we have an obvious identified problem that is a major cause of racial inequality. Let's work on that instead of creating insane theories about how to "solve" racism with segregation. Or blaming factors outside of our control and giving up before we've tried.

 

VFDC really shouldn't tolerate overt racism and conspiracy mongering.

 

You might find this insufferably negative, but I don't think that's true. It's less socially acceptable to be overtly racist, but that's about it.

 

Ok, but let me ask you this. How many racists voted for Obama? If I had to guess, I'd say somewhere in the neighborhood of 0%. And people don't have to make socially acceptable votes, because the ballots are secret to begin with. The majority of people in this country voted for Obama, so I think it's fair to say the majority aren't racist. At least they aren't racist enough to stop them from putting a black man in charge of the country. A black man who was raised Muslim no less. Try to imagine something like that happening 50 years ago. I say racism is decreasing.

Looking at your profile though, I see you live in Missouri. I think that factor alone might skew your perspective a little.

 

Yes, living here does skew my perspective quite a bit, but I do live in a major metro area and my county is usually blue. Your example of outright racists not voting for Obama is plausible. It's still very difficult to gauge these things as racial politics are far more complex than neo-nazis versus the alleged 'post-racial' society of the Obama voters. When attacks on Obama's origins become part of the national discourse and an entirely white "Tea Party" movement spring up within 9 months of the election of the first black president it's pretty clear cut that racism has only been driven to substitute its vocabulary with that of euphemistic 'dogwhistle' words. The Tea Party has little to do with fiscal responsibility as an end in itself, and far more to do with nativism and an opposition to what conservative white voters see (quite falsely) as a disproportionate amount of government spending that goes to non-whites. Of course, this is all kept under wraps by a vocabulary that does not isolate a single group along racial lines explicitly. Instead there are a mess of politically charged terms that implicitly connote a racial stereotype. It's a divide and conquer strategy to get red state voters out in droves to vote against their own interests.

 

It's true, but I'd like to think that when the sentiment going in the other direction forces them to be so discreet because they fear the impact overt racism would have on their image, then we've made at least a little progress.

 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've said this many times and I'll say it again: Why not cut foreign aid?</div></div>

tengu, you know that US actually makes money out of the foreign aid right? I'll link you to the paper if you want to find out more about this.