Politics

It's like I'm really Japanese!

 

By the way, the gist of the thesis of the earlier book I posted about is that Japan committed massive atrocities in East Asia between 1895 and 1945. They killed millions of people and systematically looted the accumulated wealth of centuries from several nations. There atrocities were of a similar scale to those of Nazi Germany.

The Imperial family was complicit in this and were the biggest beneficiaries, along with Yakuza gangsters like Kodama, who was given the rank of admiral during the war!

After the war, the US Establishment recovered much of the loot that did not make it back to Japan. Ferdinand Marcos eventually recovered much of what was left in the Philipinnes which were used to store the loot that could not be shipped to Japan because of the US blockade.

In Japan, the Post War efforts to adjudicate justice were essentially thwarted and many of the worst oligarchs and zaibatsu heads were in great shape to capitalize on the Post-War Japanese economic "miracle."

This is the true history. I write this not to disparage Japan at all. In the Post-War era, American history is darker than Japan's by far. But to deny the crimes of history is to be complicit in them.

 

I don't know that much about Japanese history or their education system, but my understanding is that the teachers unions are fighting the Education Ministry in terms of what Japanese children are being taught. Textbooks are made by private companies, but must be approved by the Education Ministry. I also understand that having students think critically on certain subjects isn't that easy because of how much history they learn. Their history books are the size of a medium-sized novel, and read more like fact books. I think that some teachers go outside the curriculum to have them think more about World War II.

In terms of American education, when I was in high school the majority of our education was on World War II. We had only a passing reference to Vietnam. The most I remember talking about when it came to that war was maybe a single Powerpoint slide.

In conclusion, our school systems are pretty bad when it comes to teaching students about history. Do your own research if you want better perspective.

 

U.S. history classes deal with the Cold War by lying or omission.

China lies about Mao like it's going out of style.

Taiwan lies about Chiang Kai Shek, their George Washington and also a drug lord.

And Japan lies about the Imperial Period.

At least China admits it's a One-Party State. America is ruled by an Imperial Corporate Party with two wings: a right wing and a full-on fascist wing.

 

Wow, as an American, it's impressive that you know him~ But he is not our father of country~

 

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What I always found interesting is like us their knowledge and interest of their own history is as bad as ours (Americans).

 

I believe that Japan's diet (parliament) was controlled by the Liberal Democratic Party for 40 or more years straight.

 

Well, he is not exactly analogous to George Washington, but he was the first President of Taiwan as it currently exists. And there is monument to CKS in Taipei that dwarfs the Washington Monument.

One could say that Sun Yat Sen is more like Washington, but he did not serve as President very long and the overthrow of the emperor happened when he was out of the country. Since the "R.O.C." today is really an island of the coast of China, it does not really have much to do with Sun Yat Sen besides the fact that he influenced some of the first supporters of CHinese democracy. This seems even less important since Taiwan was under martial law under Chiang Kai Shek (Jiang Jieshi) for so long (and thus not even democratic).

Or one could argue that Chiang wasn't even the most powerful person in his family; Madame Chiang had enormous influence and was more politically adept than her husband. But really both Chiang and his wife owe their power to Madame Chiang's father Charlie Soong, who built a vast fortune and who basically paid for the insurrection that ended the Qing Dynasty.

Charlie died shortly after a scandal involving Sun Yat Sen and one of the Soong sisters. They were having an affair; Sun was already married. After Charlie Soong died, his son T.V. was probably the most powerful Chinese Nationalist, even if Chiang Kai Shek held the highest offices.

And yes, the Kuomintang was half political party, half Chinese Mafia.

 

I read the article you linked. I believe its true, doesent matter how much gold they looted, the fact is that they looted it.


But then again, its the nature of war right? I mean, before Japan was even a modern state, England and France owned like 80% of the world or something. what do you think they did when they colonised new zealand or australia? they fucked them up, looting is an historical reality, not something the Japanese invented lol. Besides, it was the United States who went to Japan and ordered them to open up the country OR ELSE.

The Japanese saw clearly that they had 2 options: become the bitches of the west (like the rest of asia) or stand up and fight. they modernized in a rush, and guess what, modernity equals military power and colonizing.

Who do you think own the diamonds and gold mines in Africa? who do you think boosted US economy when they needed free labour? thats also looting im my opinion.

however, as I said, there are only two options: either be the one doing the colonizing, or be colonized.

I expect the next war be the USA invading Iran or N.Korea, not the other way around. But they know whats coming to them, and they have started preparing nuclear weapons and shit just to show us they are not going down so quietly.

Maybe instead of posting here about Japan secret history you guys should do something about your country, its truly fucked up that you are more concerned about Japan owning up about WW2 when you have a detention camp for "unlawful enemy combatants". what the fuck is a enemy combatants anyway? its a fucking insult that you speak of war crimes and human rights when US crealy does not give a shit about the geneva convention RIGHT NOW, not in 1940 when they hadnt even drafted the convention.

But hey, guess what? who is going to tell US to get out their fucking country? nobody. (the only country that can stand up to US right now is China, and China doesnt give a shit about human rights either. No wait, they care about Japan apologizing for Nanjin, but thats it, thats the extent of their care, see Tibet).

 

Matteo, Japan happens to be the subject now. America bashing is the most popular theme in this forum when politics are discussed. LOL.

"its a fucking insult that you speak of war crimes and human rights when US crealy does not give a shit about the geneva convention RIGHT NOW, not in 1940 when they hadnt even drafted the convention."

I thought that in order to be entitled to protection under the Geneva Convention you needed to have a uniform showing that you're a part of a nation's military.

 

It does not follow that Japan had to attempt to create the so called Greater Asian Co-prosperity Sphere by conquering and looting all their neighbors. Nor should they lie about it now.

I wrote earlier that America is a one-party state and that the ruling party is the Imperial Corporate Party.

The GWOT (Global War on Terror) is an imperial hoax.

Bush and Cheney and Wolfowitz and Rummy are war criminals and should be in jail and would be if we lived in a true democratic state under the rule of law, rather than a global empire with a democratic veneer.

And in reference to the LDP, that party was actually funded by the massive amounts of loot I wrote about earlier. Check out this article from the Financial Times:

Mischief or Conspiracy?

By GILLIAN TETT.
2234 Words
04 April 2001
Financial Times (FT.Com)
English
Copyright (c) 2001 Financial Times Group

It looks innocuous enough: a simply worded warning about "fictitious bonds" sits on Japan's Ministry of Finance website. In fact, it is a gateway into a world swirling with explosive accusations of fraud, conspiracy and political interference.

The site carries a picture of what looks like a Japanese government bond, slashed by two diagonal red lines and warns that such certificates have never been issued by Japan.

But that hasn't stopped these mysterious "quasi-bonds" from turning up in financial centres around the world. In total, their purported face value comes to trillions of yen.

And their origin is the subject of mystery and controversy. Are these quasi-bond certificates part of a complex political conspiracy, or are they simply a ploy to trap foreign investors?

One man convinced the certificates are real is Norbert Schlei, a senior US lawyer and former adviser to President John F. Kennedy. In 1995, he was apprehended in Florida for handling these certificates and charged with securities fraud.

In his defence, he told the courts the certificates were legitimate and owned by a dozen of his Japanese clients. Then he dropped his bombshell by claiming Japan's Ministry of Finance had secretly issued the certificates in the 1980s to conceal a hidden political slush fund. And this slush fund was linked to money that the CIA allegedly had used to fund rightwing political groups in Japan, as part of an anti-communist drive.

Shlei is now 71 and works from small law offices in Los Angeles, decorated with pictures of himself working with President Kennedy. He was given a five-year suspended prison sentence in 1995, but the conviction was mostly overturned on appeal. "I am absolutely convinced that these certificates were issued by the MoF," he still says.

If he is right - and Japan's MoF vehemently denies his account - the repercussions could be huge. For a start, the Japanese hate the idea of the US meddling in their political affairs. And there would be a marked reaction in the bond markets if it emerged that the MoF had secretly issued extra bonds.

The ministry claims it is a simple case of fraud, with criminals using the certificates to fool naive investors. "The idea [that we] could have secretly issued hidden bonds is crazy and shows how gullible people can be," argues one senior MoF official.

But Shlei's version of events is the one supported in a book, yet to be published, by Sterling and Peggy Seagrave, two US authors who have written extensively on Asia.

"When the American and Japanese public find out what has been going on all these years, particularly with regard to covert financial mischief, there will be a huge public outcry," they say.

In fact, finance and politics in Japan are deeply murky and the complete truth may never emerge. But there are two main theories as to where the bonds came from.

The official explanation, by the MoF, is that a gang of Japanese crooks printed them in the 1980s. Some of the gang were convicted in Japan for fraud in the mid-1980s, given a suspended sentence, and have now disappeared. But the certificates were distributed to criminals overseas, who continued the fraud, say Japanese police. Indeed, police records noted more than 20 occasions between 1986 and 1993 when foreigners were caught handling the certificates overseas, sometimes in connection with fraud cases in the UK and the US.

It sounds credible - but contains odd details. No financial institution has ever admitted losing money as a result of these bonds. And the MoF did not declare the certificates counterfeit until 1993 - a decade after they first appeared. It has also seemed reluctant to permit its bureaucrats to testify that the certificates were fake. At one trial in the US, an MoF witness disappeared early, and the tape recorder collecting his evidence broke. The ministry blames this on a "misunderstanding".

Another oddity is the certificates' design. Criminals usually make fake bonds identical to real bonds and in small denominations, to avoid attracting attention. The "quasi-bonds", however, do not even pretend to be a Japanese government bond, but an IOU - of a type not seen in Japan.

Each certificate is dedicated to a specific Japanese person, and says it can be exchanged for 15-year bonds in the future, via the Bank of Japan "and Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank as an agent of the Bank". They claim to have been issued in 1982 - or Showa 57 in the Japanese calendar (they are sometimes called "series-57 bonds" by Americans). Their denominations range from Y10bn to Y500bn - a ridiculously large amount for a counterfeit certificate.

But if that looks suspicious, the other explanation is far stranger and begins in the early 20th century, when Japan invaded its Asian neighbours and looted vast wealth.

After world war two, US intelligence forces secretly seized this wealth and later used it to finance covert anti-Communist operations - paying bribes, for example, to rightwing members of Japan's Liberal Democratic party. Schlei told the Florida court that in the postwar US, "we came to feel that [such payments] were OK because the Russians were subsidising the Communists and Socialists".

In the 1960s, the US returned control of this fund - called the "M-Fund" - to Japan. Japanese politicians, such as Kakuei Tanaka, a former finance minister and later prime minister, grabbed it, stole large sums and used it for their personal use and to buy political support with bribes.

"For 25 years Tanaka was known as the money man of Japanese politics ... My clients say the reason he had so much money was he got control of this M-fund," Schlei said.

In the 1960s, Tanaka tried to hide some of the fund by buying JGBs and registering them in the name of his cronies and supporters. But in 1976, he was sucked into a corruption scandal and convicted of receiving bribes from the US Lockheed company.

In the following years, his cronies needed extra money and, in the late 1970s, the Tanaka clique decided secretly to print the disputed certificates, as part of a complex financial scheme.

Tanaka then double-crossed some of the holders of these certificates: in the mid-1980s, the MoF indicated it would not honour the certificates, and rumours circulated that the M-fund money had all been stolen. When some certificate holders realised they had been tricked, they began seeking ways to obtain financial compensation for their paper.

This is where Schlei says he became involved. He had spent the 1970s and early 1980s working as a senior partner of Hughes, Hubbard and Reed, a Wall Street law firm, representing blue-chip clients such as Howard Hughes, the billionaire, and Morgan Stanley.

This followed a spell in the 1960s when he worked with Kennedy - he is credited, for example, with having played a key role in advising on the Cuban missile blockade. However, he decided not to go into politics full-time because he became disillusioned after Kennedy was assassinated.

By 1985 he was semi-retired but in touch with a Japanese businessman called Toshio Takahashi.

Takahashi knew of several holders of the certificates who wanted to use a US lawyer to press their claim against the MoF. Schlei said in court: "[My clients] felt that if they could prosecute their claim from outside Japan, they would do better than inside, because in Japan the government controls the financial world so totally."

Schlei says he accepted the case, lured by promises of large fees (which he says he never received). And in the following years he worked on the matter sporadically. He created a company in Panama to handle the certificates and persuaded Alan Cranston, a US senator, to ask the MoF to recognise them.

He openly consulted the CIA and the US ambassador to Japan, and visited Tokyo, where he claims the MoF held occasional negotiations with holders of the certificates.

Most controversially of all, he tried to persuade non-Japanese institutions to buy the certificates for a nominal fee - apparently unsuccessfully. US banks, such as Morgan Stanley, and government officials in Taiwan and South Korea, were approached. Schlei even attempted to involve the US Young Astronauts Association.

He says he approached US banks, not because he wanted to conduct a fraud, but because he believed the MoF would feel more pressure to redeem the certificates if they were held by foreign institutions.

In 1992, however, FBI agents approached three US entrepreneurs who were contacts of Schlei's client, Takahashi, and offered $100m to buy some disputed certificates. A deal was struck, and the FBI arrested the entrepreneurs for fraud. A year later they dragged Schlei into the case, arguing that he had handled the certificates as well.

Schlei denied knowing anything about the deal with the FBI agents, and says the case unfairly "destroyed my life and career".

The Seagraves agree: they say Schlei was only involved in the case because he was a trophy "catch" for the FBI, due to his past links with the Kennedy administration, and because some US officials wanted to stop Schlei asking "potentially embarrassing" questions about the M-fund.

"Schlei was unjustly charged and tried," they say.

The FBI, however, insisted Schlei was part of a criminal ring and that his "explanation" for the certificates was just a cover for fraud.

Indeed, parts of Schlei's tale seem suspicious: he has refused to name his mysterious clients, citing confidentiality clauses; no Japanese has publicly admitted to owning these certificates or openly come to his defence; nor have any US officials backed Schlei. Stanley Sporkin, a former CIA official, dubs the M-fund "a crazy idea, preposterous". Daniel Russel, a US diplomat, told the Florida court that it was "totally unbelievable that such a conspiracy could have been in progress for decades without it becoming widely known".

At the same time, many parts of Schlei's tale look plausible: the LDP has been entangled in corruption scandals in recent years, sometimes linked to violent yakuza gangsters; Japan's national accounts are very opaque; and Schlei is not the only foreigner talking about these certificates.

Some former Wall Street bankers, who insist on remaining anonymous, say that in the early 1990s they were hired by government officials in Paraguay who had acquired some "bonds" and wanted to offset them against Paraguay's debt to Japan. They hired Alexander Haig, a former US secretary of state, to find out whether Japan's finance ministry would accept a deal. Haig did not respond to inquiries about this. The Seagraves claim, from separate sources, that a deal was struck.

Odder still, these bankers still hold documents about a "Welfare Fund", or the alleged cover for the M-fund. These papers tally with the "quasi-bonds".

These documents could be clever forgeries. But Edmond Lausier, assistant professor for business studies at the University of Southern California, thinks not. He has compared these papers with official records on Japanese government bond issuance. (He says he did this because he heard Schlei's story and "likes solving puzzles".) And he says his findings support the theory that Tanaka was playing financial games with the disputed certificates.

But the most curious part of Schlei's tale is the allegations about the CIA and the M-fund. There is no concrete proof that an M-Fund did exist, since the CIA is refusing to release its files on Japan for the period, and most politicians allegedly involved are now dead. Even so, some US academics suspect that an M-fund did exist.

"Evidence of an M-Fund between 1947 and 1972 rests on more than the statements ... of Schlei and his clients," says Chalmers Johnson, a former professor at the University of California.

And in the mid-1990s, former CIA officers told the New York Times they gave funds to rightwing politicians in Japan - prompting criticism that the US distorted Japanese politics. Or as John Dower, professor of Japanese history at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has said: "We look at the LDP and say that it is corrupt and it's unfortunate to have a one-party democracy in Japan. But we [Americans] have played a role in creating that misshapen structure."

The CIA says it is unable to comment on whether it gave any funds to the LDP in Japan and has no knowledge about an M-fund.

So where does this leave the mysterious certificates?

Some foreign bankers remain convinced they are fake. After all, they argue, an M-Fund might have existed - but unconnected to the certificates. "Japan is a paradise for fraudsters," argues one US banker. On the other hand, some bankers believe the MoF may eventually be forced to honour the certificates.

Meanwhile, the bankers involved in the alleged Paraguay-Haig discussions have found their own solution to the mystery - of sorts. They have written a novel, loosely based on their experiences with the certificates. Ominously, many characters are murdered by yakuza.

"Our story was so weird that fiction seemed the best way to talk about it," one of the former bankers explains. "Who would believe it?" In Japan, it seems, truth and fiction can be closely entwined.

 

Ah OK my bad, I didnt know that. If that's the case, fuck those motherfuckers, they dont even have an uniform or a badge or shit, they dont deserve human rights.

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Japan neighours had been conquered and looted well before Japan was even a factor. Ther problem started when Japan wanted a slice of the pie as well.

It sucks that Korea, thats has a such a rich history and culture, was colonized. Korea was the source of Japan culture, but it seems that they failed arm themselves against foreign threats. It reminds me of athens and sparta in a way.

Unlikely to happen again though. with the threat of N.Korea looming, S.Korea is not really taking any chances. My mate told me that military service is compulsory for 2 years, and its fucking tough as well. he told me crazy stories about "toughening up" practices...while Japan doesent even have an army...Japan is the bitch of USA now.

 

Don't be silly. My point was strictly that it's not breaking the Geneva Convention by not applying it on those people. You would need to draft a different type of convention to apply to them.

 

I see. Its a shame then that USA refused to become a member of the International criminal court, founded in 2002 to investigate and prosecute individuals suspected of having committed genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes.

http://www.icc-cpi.int/menus/icc

 

Sure, that's what we should be dealing with. Not the Geneva Convention. I'm not against human rights, believe it or not.

 

So, what have you been doing about this? sent a letter to some politician? organized some kind of event? or you just check wikipedia very often and get angry about it?

 

Matteo, why this outburst of anger towards me? And what is sending a letter to a politician going to do, as if they reliably represent their constituents? Of course it's better than nothing, but why be so personal?

 

The world is ruled by gangsters. A great deal of resources are devoted to obscuring this fact. That should be the chief political concern of our time. Instead Americans want to talk about Abortion, or Obama's "Communist" healthcare plan, or other weird metaphysical shit.

We need Peace so that we can correct the disastrous course that we are on.

 

I work with the US government and I can tell you that if people in the voting region call/e-mail/write the senator/congressman, the congressmen will listen.

No they don't read them, they just have someone lower in the ranking system read the letters and sort them based on what the letters are about. Then they count how many letters of x, y and z categories they got, and that's how they decide policies.

The only reason big money lobbyists have so much power is because so many people have become disheartened and don't write to their senators/congressmen.

We are far louder as a group than any multi million doller lobbing company, because we represent more votes.

 

I don't discourage people from trying to participate, but Obama mobilized thousands and thousands of people, but since taking office he has turned his back on them. Notice how the GOP always works for their greedy or insane base, but the Dems have to ignore theirs and instead please the bankers and the Israel Lobby as if they were Republicans/Neoconservatives themselves.

There are some good people in politics, but the system works to marginalize them and to co-opt them. Obama could educate the public about what forces constrain him and his party, but he doesn't.