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lol yeah this topic got pulled over into religion. Religion and political discussions always end up clashing with each other eventually.

btw I like hearing your point of view fulan it gives me a better picture about how people who have faith much like yourself see things that I see differently.

I am picking and choosing but I also never said there is one right absolute way, if I said there was only 1 way to worship and I was picking a choosing then yes there would be a huge flaw right there. I pick and choose what i believe to be universal things that many religions got right and seem to make sense to me. I feel like i'm guided toward the more correct answer all the time.

It's like in stats, the more data you accumulate the more close you get to the true answer. To get an even more true answer you do the same study over and over again and compare the studies to each other to get an even better result. Sometimes data will be way off but that all fixes itself with the bell curve. Some things are going to be really wrong and some are going to be a little wrong, but those things at the top of the bell are the closest to the right answer. I look at the various religions as just different plots on the bell curve.

 

There is only one truth. Two contradictory statements cannot both be correct. Countless of other people did and are doing the same thing as you, all coming to different conclusions. So why are you being guided to the more correct answers, and not Joe the Theologian.

This approach achieves nothing but pleasing your inner self, but to get a little cliché , sometimes the truth hurts.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's like in stats, the more data you accumulate the more close you get to the true answer. To get an even more true answer you do the same study over and over again and compare the studies to each other to get an even better result. Sometimes data will be way off but that all fixes itself with the bell curve. Some things are going to be really wrong and some are going to be a little wrong, but those things at the top of the bell are the closest to the right answer. I look at the various religions as just different plots on the bell curve. </div></div>How this this come from the same person who said this
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> but I also believe in his infinite wisdom he'd know how to break it down for us to understand. Like c'mon the guy can't dumb it down for us he did make us after-all and should know how to get through to us clearly.</div></div>That doesn't make sense coming from the same guy.


It sounds incredibly convoluted, all you'll end up with is a crap load of contradictory ideas coming together into one really disgusting sandwich. I mean I dig spinach, and I dig peanut butter, and I'm Tunisian so I'm programmed to love tuna. A spinach-peanut butter-tune sandwich however, it doesn't work.

 

How this this come from the same person who said this
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> but I also believe in his infinite wisdom he'd know how to break it down for us to understand. Like c'mon the guy can't dumb it down for us he did make us after-all and should know how to get through to us clearly.</div></div>That doesn't make sense coming from the same guy.


It sounds incredibly convoluted, all you'll end up with is a crap load of contradictory ideas coming together into one really disgusting sandwich. I mean I dig spinach, and I dig peanut butter, and I'm Tunisian so I'm programmed to love tuna. A spinach-peanut butter-tune sandwich however, it doesn't work.

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The Qur'an has tons of contradictions.

 

yea, so?

It doesn't.

 

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

Seriously...

 

That site is nothing new, every day someone posts that on another forum I'm on.

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_answering_islam_org

It's all there, if you backtrack it deals with other websites as well.

 

Yet the Qu'ran is the word of God and his word is perfect. Its also the book that was not changed or edited over the years. But I guess that doesn't matter in this case...

 

This thread just underlines the fact that separation of church and state is a good thing.

 

I meant the writers at answering-islam appeal to translations (which are not perfect), and often misjudge the context of the verses they deal with.

 

And your site uses "contextual and language issues" to argue against some critics. Some of them are a bit comical too. Plus couldn't just about every religous scripture that has been translated hide behind the "contextual and language issues" any time someone finds a contradiction?

Listen, I don't really care what you believe, but I've come to realize that very few things are absolute. Sying things like the Qur'an has no contradictions grates on my nerves.

 

We don't rely on translations.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Listen, I don't really care what you believe, but I've come to realize that very few things are absolute. Sying things like the Qur'an has no contradictions grates on my nerves. </div></div>Consider your nerves grated.

 

How can it have language issues if it wasn't translated? Written poorly?

 

The articles on answering-islam are often language issues because they do use translations.

Have you even read the link you posted yourself?

 

My point when I was talking about two contradictory statements, was that eventually there is only one truth. As a general response to people saying there is no 'one' right way.

What I'll say is that I can understand that others don't and will never believe in what I believe. And that is their right in this world. It doesn't prevent me from being respectful with people from other faiths either.

And "hoping the other guy is wrong" isn't what makes faith so important to me.

 

I obviously do not follow the same path as Fulan here. But what I will say is that it is not about hope. Its about knowing. There is no stepping on the outside and looking in. My faith is the ONLY truth. I think this is what Fulan believes as well. And like him I can respect others and their faith yet at the same time know, without a doubt, they are wrong.

 

everyone knows the others are wrong without a doubt. Love how that works.

 

"Strange game. The only way to win is... not to play."
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Bonus if you know from where that is taken - no Googling![/size]</span>

 

^I remember when I first saw Wargames I really didn't get it. Then again I was no older than 10 yrs old.