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Re: An attempt to revive the Pai thread...

I'm also wondering...

Do I have enough time to knock em down, see which direction the guy's rolling, and immediately put in the correct trip direction? I think I do, though I am going to have to improve my reflexes to pull this trick off 100% of the time. It'll be worth it, because with those kinds of reflexes, throw escaping and reversing on reaction will also become a part of my game.

I'm also wondering if it's possible to use this trick, or even the threat of this trick, to create a lose-lose situation for the opponent if he gets knocked down. If he rolls, he gets tripped. If he doesn't, he gets pounced.

And so far, following up an inashi with ++, if it's not guaranteed, is looking VERY hard to struggle out of.

 

Re: An attempt to revive the Pai thread...

Well, the opponent always has the option to do a quick rise instead of tech rolling or staying on the ground.

 

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I don't think it'll work on reflex cuz pai's trips take 10 years to come out. By the time you recognize whether or not they rolled, they're standing up and ready to go,

Also inashi -> sweep is probably not guaranteed, it's pretty low damage. If you could hit them with a sweep, an uf+K,K would be faster and more damaging. But apparently the best you can do is stuff like P-throw... a mind game in pai's favor.

 

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re trips:

Well, in my experience, you can actually watch for the opponent's tech roll direction and input the correct trip. You should also be aware that the trips work for more than just tech rollers. Some moves will be tripped as well - example: Wolf's low kick, Lion's low kick. Not that these situations are great or anything, but they're there. Trips can also hit a grounded opponent for a whopping 5 pts. /versus/images/icons/smile.gif

I use them, but only from time to time. They are a good way of making your opponent stop tech rolling, but Pai has so many other more useful mind games to stop TRers that I tend to use the trips less. I do however like the animation and it's always a bit demoralizing to be tripped out of a tech roll.

Hmm...perhaps I should revitalize my Pai FAQ...

 

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A lot of times Pai is too far away from the opponent to do +,, so ++ hits 'em. Also, + is mid, while ++ is low. Thus, when the opponent successfully recovers from the stagger, he recovers standing, and the sweep gets him. I'm finding that it's very hard to struggle out and then immediately crouch to block the sweep, if it's even possible to block it.

Also, the sweep does 25 damage, which, added to the inashi's 5 damage, is equal to or more than the other reversals' 25 or 30.

Add in the fact that the inashis are less risky, and there we go, Pai players; use inashis and not reversals. This, of course, will change if it's discovered to be humanly possible to block a followup sweep.

 

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It's not a hard task to block the sweep after the inashi. Of course, this does depend on what inashi you get. But, good strugglers can block the sweep. Good strugglers can also block a high punch, I might add. But it's your best option, imo.

Using inashis over reversals has been a thing of choice for Pai as long as I've been playing her. There are a few times where a reversal is better, for ring position, but not often. Mind games are Pai's biggest strength and inashis reinforce this. They're a big part of my game, ask anyone who went to NYG3, and I think are the only way Pai can compete at a high level.

cheers,