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"But as somebody who's been playing VF3 for five years solid, you become very accustomed to the specifics of that third title, and so the slightest changes in the fourth were enough to get me excited in that old AM2 frenzy."

Ohh that just tickles me pink....I'd offer this dude a huge 10,000 bounty if you could even beat the better players 20%.

CrewNYC

 

"Ohh that just tickles me pink....I'd offer this dude a huge 10,000 bounty if you could even beat the better players 20%"

20% Andy?, was the 0 a typo? cause the first level CPU gives this guy a run for his money and he's MADE to lose : P, the cpu was so shocked he just stopped moving! *cpu Lei Fei* "COME ON,DO IT!!...DO IT!! I'm right here come on, KILL ME!! /versus/images/icons/laugh.gif

 

Hi all,

Re: http://www.segaweb.com/reviews/arcade/virtuafighter4.html

Please let me clear this up, as I have seen people on a good few forums now wondering, even claiming that this was not the final version of the game.

We were not allowed to post any movies of Vanessa (which we did film but did not put online). Those who have worked with publishers before will know what they can be like. As far as those in charge of this machine were concerned, Vanessa was not in the version on test in other places, and so she was not ready to be seen. I found this annoying but needed to respect their wishes if I wanted to play it again.

The final version is on public test in Tokyo as of last week, but there are several identical units outside of Japan too. Just because the public do not have access to them does not mean they don't exist! You can see in the movies that there is no loud arcade noise, all you can hear is the game - that was because it was not taken in an arcade.

My comments on Vanessa were sketchy because I only played as her for a few fights.

Finally, I do not claim to be a VF daddy. I am better than most, but if there is one thing that a LOT of Y100 coins in Sega Hi Tech Land has taught me, it's that I have a long way to go! I am better than most but put me in the heavyweight leagues and I will get torn in half! But I enyoy being beaten because it teaches you so much.

Also remember it was VF4 that I was playing, not VF3, and was still getting used to a few changes in many of the movies. I managed to pull off DLC once (off camera) which was pathetic, although SPOD was not too much trouble. ;-)

Finally, I would love to be able to provide these (and all) movies for free, but as many intelligent users have cited, a model that revolves around giving stuff away for free will eventually give you a dead site, unless somebody has some deep pockets - providing these movies and running the sites costs money. I did however try as much as possible to keep the price of a year's registration very low, and at $15 for a year, it is very low IMO.

Come on guys, I did not spend three straight days without sleep capturing, encoding and uploading movies, and more time reviewing a game from a series I love, to get loads of abuse. I hope those of you who have seen what's there enyoyed the movies / review, and if not, sorry I let you down.

Adam Doree
GamerWeb.com

 

adam..

i think most are glad to be able to see vf4, and i think most of us can forgive someone for completely shrugging off experimenting with (or even just trying to find) new moves and throws and instead trying and failing at the spod and dlc 101039081247891232712 times because the akira player (fetishist) believes that these moves, if done correctly, validate the player as an all out master of vf.

what most of us don't like is being lied to, and this business of vanessa just doesn't make sense. not allowed to upload? i mean, why isn't she even in the character select screen? can you at least clarify this?

 

I would say that you so obviously suck that Josh could whoop your ass at VF4, but that would be an insult to Josh.

As for your thoughts on VF4, I've never seen anything so worthless. I'm so glad I haven't bothered downloading your movies.

Please, go on and continue spreading ignorance and worthless verbage among casual gamers about VF. It's people like you who make players like me shake their heads every time someone says VF is some superlative creation worthy of awe.

But since you're so obviously a scrub, lemmie tell you something about VF4. Unlike VF3, you can complete DLC without having to connect the first hit. There's no reason you shouldn't have every easy opportunity to practice the damn move, especially as you play against the CPU. Considering it hasn't changed from VF3, it strikes me as pretty pathetic that you are having difficulty getting it off.

As for your business model crapola, you have no legal grounds upon which to claim an ownership right in those movies, so don't pretend that you do.

-Jason

 

Errr--I guess somebody has to act the good cop. Adam, thanks for the positive publicity, VF4 definitely needs it as much as possible.

As for your final version/Vanessa comment...really, Brian/Noah, a simple "aye" or "nay" would do the trick. Thanks.

 

Adam...

allow me to clear up on this matter.

In regards to the skill level that was shown in those clips...
I don't think we really do give a big damn abt whether if u are able to spod consistently or DLC consistently.

In fact, being able to pull off those two moves doesn't actually mean alot. it only means u can excute them.

Learning how to use them..is a whole new ball game~

in regards to us assuming u were lying...I felt all these would not have happened if u had first stated clearly on ur website.

My fellow Vfer has a very good point. Why is Vannessa missing from the selection screen. Again, an explantion in ur article would have cleared up the confusion....

In fact, we still look forward to your explantion of why Vanessa is missing from the selection screen.

And in terms of letting us down?

Adam...you don't owe us anything. So don't feel that way

<font color=red>~~~ 'enemy not SPODED, enemy not DOWN/versus/images/icons/mad.gif~~~'

 

Jason, if being an expert player like you means having
an attitude problem is compulsory, I'd rather stay as I am.

There were three units in the room. Two were test. One was
final. Both were filmed. Character select screen (the first
movie filmed - vf4_01.mpg) was from test, almost all
gameplay movies from final. That is why Vanessa is not on
the chara select screen, and as previously mentioned, we
have plenty of movies that the stubborn Sega reps said we
could not publish because she was not on the public (test)
version everyone else in the world (Hayward, GIGO at that
time, etc) was playing.

The guy spent 20 mins explaining the politics and how he
gets emails from the dev execs in Japan everytime something
minor like this upsets those guys (which I already knew) so I
just left it, as I have pissed Sega off on many occasions
before (such as getting BETA JSR before SOJ even gave it to
SOA). I did not explain all this on our site because people
don't care and wouldn't notice stuff in this much detail, which
is both a good and bad thing.

This game is going on sale to amusements distributors in the
next week, do you really think it's impossible to get your
hands on these final versions now (which so obviously exist)
JUST because everybody else is playing the test versions in
public arcades?!

Why this is such a big deal is beyond me. Such hostility for
being less good at a game than you is really quite immature,
don't prentend it's over the whole Vanessa issue.

GamerWeb.com owns total rights to the movies. We
obviosuly do not own the game you see in them, but we own
the files as we captured them an encoding them, and users
pay for access to files. We own the servers, everything on
them is our property. I could go into more detail but I'm sure
you get the idea - the law is quite clear on this, and in any
case, the user agrees not to distribute the files in any way
when they sign up, so whether we own right or not is
irrelevant, isn't it?

All I know is that I can pull of SPoD and DLC consistently on
VF3, and have learned to use them well too. I found it more
difficult on VF4, so either timing changed (as buttons did with
SPoD) or the excitement got the better of me. It was trying to
pull them off that made their attempted execution look
untimely, but time was fairly limited on fillming day so
learning, experimenting etc. whilst caught on camera was the
only option.

Give me a break guys.

Adam

P.S. I'm sure I've played players who'd kick your ass too. It's
interesting to learn but difficult to play when you get your ass
torn in 6 second fights next to Akihabara station. On the
game, I mean.

Adam Doree
GamerWeb.com

 

I really can't believe this.

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>

and god...he realllllly SUCK!
Liar...and suck at the same time

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I have never seen a more pathetic display of immaturity in my life. Never. Give the guy a break, man.

Liar? No one can disprove what he is saying. Only we can take his word that the version in video with the select screen was from one of the two machines. And who gives a shit anyway? I can't imagine this being a big deal.

As far as his ability to play the game - he could easily be a seasoned player. He's not a scrub, that's certain. Please remember that 95% of seasoned VF3 players STOPPED PLAYING YEARS AGO!! Virtuafighter.com represents a miniscule amount of people who are still playing the game. We are beyond seasoned players.

So, lay off the guy and grow up a bit by keeping your personal comments to yourself.

cheers,

<font color=white>Llanfair</font color=white>
<font color=orange>Booyah daddy mac! I'm stylin!</font color=orange>

 

Re: I really can't believe this.

Im with Llanfair and a few others on this. Lay off the guy! Most people i talked to commented on Adam's "scrubiness" just cause he didn't complete the DLC or some SPODs. That is a bullshit reason to downplay the guy's skills. Its much easier for us to sit on the sidelines and criticize the guy's skills. We shouldn't be as critical - SINCE IT IS A GOD DAMN NEW VF GAME! The feel is obviously different and would take some time getting used to. Im sure most (if not all) of us "seasoned" players would seem just as "scrubby" when we start playing VF4.

Sheesh...just had to vent.

As per Ice's comments - thanks for the impressions and spreading publicity about a game we all love very much! Also, thanks for clarifying the Vanessa issue.

PEACE

 

"Finally, I do not claim to be a VF daddy. I am better than most, but if there is one thing that a LOT of Y100 coins in Sega Hi Tech Land has taught me, it's that I have a long way to go! "

Hmm, I think I got it into my head that you were some newbie braggard having never actually heard anything of your VF history, I admit my post was more than a little too harsh, I guess I pigeon holed you as the villain of the VF community.

I think that we've all spent so much time on this board discussing every aspect of the game that even small mistakes seem huge, it aint like you're reviewing the next Deer Hunter game /versus/images/icons/laugh.gif I can't think of a more dedicated group of game players than those of VF.com, If you make a mistake you're DAMN SURE gonna hear about it /versus/images/icons/laugh.gif



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Re: I really can't believe this.

>"scrubiness" just cause he didn't complete the DLC or some SPODs

Haha...Hiro misses DLC all the time. And for me, Lau's b,b P turns into backdash-punch, or while-standing-K becomes jump-K.

I agree with some others that command input is not a direct measurement of one's VF skills. And it's a new game...it took some people a while to get accustomed to the different SPoD timing in VF3.

Well...lastly though, charging money for those clips is simply STUPID...or ARROGANT. Let's say that you go to a movie theater and films the movie with your camcorder. Now can you just go home, encode it in MPEG4, upload the movie, and charge money for it? Do people do that? YES. Is it legal? NO

If SEGA hired or asked you to put up those clips, you really should go after SEGA for a pay. If you're doing this on your own, I SOMEHOW think it's wrong to make money off someone else's materials, copyrighted materials at that.

 

Re: I really can't believe this.

Shota is completely correct in this. A while ago I tried to film the screen of a VF3 machine with a camcorder, I was told by the arcade oweners it was illegal to do this, and told not to film the arcade games. It is because the games copyrights are owned by sega. Just because you film the game, capture/encode and serve them does not make it legal. You should have some kind of consent form at the very least to do this. Shota's example about the movie theater is completely true.

I do respect this guy though, I mean he took the time to write a long article, post images, and link some movies. If you were running content site you would know how difficult it is. Look at VFDC, jeff gets bashed all the time about not having this or that, or too much coverage on vf3 and not the past vf's, yet we forget its all a contribution to the vf scene. My only fripe though is when you write an article like that, you have to be concerned with the words you use as it is a public forum and people are bound to respond to you. When you write things like you are seasoned 5 year solid vf3 player, things sound questionable that and a loose explanation of vanessa are also questionable. But then again it is all up to the interpretation of the reader.

CrewNYC

 

I think many are acknowledging your efforts in doing what you think is good for the VF community. That's good.

Just thought I'd say this, the law is never clear. Very gray, very vague. That's why the system has to interpret the law. Why precedence does not always work. When you try to write standards and guidelines to satisfy a majority, you have to give up so much and in general, give up details.

-Chanchai

 

Re: I really can't believe this.

I applaud Adam (Doree) for his efforts, but c'mon, by the clips it's pretty clear Adam's skill level isn't quite up there yet.

And Adam (Doree), when I was in Akhibara I got 5-win streaks pretty easily...it's in Kani-Spo where things get interesting. If you want to sound good, mention Kani-Spo as your reference for competition, not Akhibara. That's actually where most of the Japanese "scrub" players hang out.

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Re: I really can't believe this.

Well they were pretty damn good in Hi Tech Land. Have never had time to check out arcades more thoroughly yet, but spent days in Akihabara.

Adam Doree
GamerWeb.com

 

Re: I really can't believe this.

If I want my money worth (i.e. 10+ win streak), I would go to Akihabara. If I want the REAL training, I go to Shinjuku.

 

Re: I really can't believe this.

I love how you constantly bring up how much you've played in Japan. It means absolutely jack shit to us. I find it amusing how you refer to your playing in Japan as if it gives you some sort of expertise with which to talk about the game. I sincerely doubt you've played more VF in Japan than I had while living there.

Still, I think Owen and Adam (NYC) are right, I was being pretty immature in flaming your playing ability. Your playing ability means nothing to me, after all, I have yet to see you play (as I haven't d/l'd any of your movies.) And it is clear that many do appreciate the effort you've made to make movies and otherwise post them. Perhaps I under appreciate them because I have played the game, and don't need to d/l movies to see what it's like.

Anyway, I was ticked and inspired to flame you for two reasons, the first is how ignorant your report was on the game. I'm tired of seeing casual gamers report absolute crap about VF, praising it without knowing anything about the game. On this point, does anyone on this board think that your review was good? Jeff? Nick? Adam?

The main thing that pissed me off is that you're trying to keep people from seeing these movies. As Rich mentioned to me, there's a lot of stuff for sale that should be free, it happens all the time. I completely agree with him. I have nothing against selling the movies per se.

But when the person who sells the movies come onto THIS board, participates in THIS community, where the failure to share information has been a major issue in the past -- I want to say, I do not accept your coming here and trying to justify keeping information secret or for sale.

Furthermore, I do not buy the legality of your ownership of these movies, such that you can control their distribution. I did not focus on IP while in law school, so I'm no expert in this, but I know enough that your so called ownership is not nearly as solid as you think. I also know the enforcability of your licensing agreement also is on questionable legal grounds. Ultimately, your rights may be enforcable, but that should prevent no one from distributing your movies without some showing by you that it is your legal right to do so.

If you want to try to sell your work product, fine. Don't expect to me to welcome you here. And don't expect me to sit idly by while you try to keep people from distributing the movies, asserting some legal right, when that right is in question.

-Jason

 

Adam, I'm just curious here. In your description of Vanessa, you managed to omit any discernable detail on how she plays. Even if you haven't played her much, why is identifying her style impossible? People are assuming she's a Brazillian Ju-Jitsu fighter, but saying "Well she is rather mannish really" doesn't really clear up that bit of speculation. Can you?

As for the movies, I can see cutting people off from downloading future ones if they violate your agreement, but you should not have any real distrubution rights to something they've already bought from you. It's like Penguin books stopping at my door and roughing me up for selling or giving an old copy of one of the books they published. Doens't sound iron clad to me, but then I'm not up on British law.

In the US at least filming footage and taking screenshots for reporting purposes is covered under fair use, so taping an arcade machine wouldn't be considered illegal. If it was, SRYK.com would've been shut down by Capcom ages ago.

 

Re: I really can't believe this.

I really don't think it's fair to jump on Adam for the way he runs his website. So he charges a fee for access to Gamers Web video clips, so what? Keep in mind that he is running a commercial website; he has to make money to keep his business afloat. Also keep in mind the dot-com crash of the past year; it's becoming increasingly difficult for content-based websites to make any money, and everyone is scrambling to find the cash to keep the workers paid (this is a job, remember). It's just one of those things, and Adam Doree is simply trying to pay the rent.

I don't understand why anyone would truly be upset. If you want to see an hour's worth of VF4 footage, then pay up. If you don't wish to pay, then simply wait another month until the game appears in arcades. You've waited five years for the next Virtua Fighter; waiting another month won't hurt.

Finally, I think everyone should thank Adam for his dedicated support for the finest series of fighting games ever made. Argue about accuracy all you want, but you know right now how VF4 will be handled by the likes of EGM/Gamespot, GamePro, IGN, etc. A few courtesy glances, and then the usual ignorant complaints before the so-called "reviewers" dismiss VF4 in favor of the latest WWF or Tomb Raider rerun. SegaWeb does a fine job and is a service to the VF community.