Next Gen consoles. What console looks promising?

I too got RROD and Microsoft fixed it for free. To be honest, I'm not sure I truly have the guts to abandon Xbox. Xbox live with 300,000 servers is going to be on another level. The exclusives on Xbox one look better too.

 

My posts about "console wars" were in response to people putting down Xbox One exclusives when they themselves haven't played it yet. Some of my posts are in response to people who hold the opinion that everything is going down hill but I just see differently. The topic keeps jumping back and forth.... So... Maybe that's why you got that impression? I can see people like Feck has both systems, so I'm not saying its just haters hating the console.

I really think MS is just trying to bring gaming forward to the next step. I just saw their demo of Xbox Live E3 video and I was super impressed with the background match making, the game DVR, streaming the match live and how good Killer Instincts played!! I think I'm going to love KI....

 

I agree, MS seems to be doing a good job in terms of games and stepping forward. I don't think many people have a problem with that.

The problem is that MS is shitting all over gamers' rights and have shown more interest in listening to the publishers than the gamers. I don't really give a damn how good the game is if I have to jump through 1000 hoops and leap $60 hurdles just to play the game at my buddies house.

It's MS's policies that have people pissed off.

 

Hmm... I think you've been mislead by all the rumours floating around regarding this particular scenario. If you just want to play a game from your library in your friend's house. All you need to do is sign into your account.

Source: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

Dunno what happened to the font size... just pasted from the site and now the font was enlarged!

 

No I haven't been mislead by anything. Why do I have to sign into an account? Why can't I just take the game over there and play? What if I just want to do offline co-op? What if my friend doesn't have internet? So on and so forth...

MS is becoming anti-consumer. And I don't understand how gamers like yourself are okay with that.

But, to each his own...

 

Ah... apologies for that, it was just that previously, you said you didn't want to jump over hoops and pay $60 which thought you were being mislead.

It's the model they've proposed...

You can access your whole games library on any console. To do that for the PS4, you'd need to take all the physical copy of the games with you. You can't "forget" to bring a game or accidentally left the disc in your console because it's all on the cloud. I'm pretty sure you can play offline co-op. The chances of your friend having an Xbox One if they don't have access to the internet is... zero? haha If they did have access to the internet then it's a lot simpler sharing than on PS4.

I disagree. I actually think they've put more thought about improving the gaming experience than Sony has to be honest and that isn't being anti-consumer. A lot of the people seem to like to share their games but Xbox One has even more powerful ways of sharing games - the one that stood out for me is if they are registered as your family member (I don't have family who play games so this will be friends for me) they will have access to your whole games library - even when you're not there. Both of you can play the same game also. Only restriction is two "family" members can't play the same game as each other. That's something you can't do for any of the consoles (buy one game and have two people playing it on separate systems at the same time). Only question is, how do you indicate someone is family...

Also, I can't see a reason to buy a PS4 over a PS3 (or in my case, an Xbox 360). It doesn't seem to have anything to differentiate it from the current gen consoles. It's as if even if the PS4 wasn't announced, we could've kept playing on the current gen consoles for a few more years?

 

I just wanna stack,exibit,undust,touch,caress ,kiss ,pimp n sleep with the physical copies of my games whenever i want damn it!
Aint no imaginary,virtual,time-rented cloud game or bs restrictions ever gonna replace that.

 

Only if that console is hooked up to the internet.

I can forget my password. I can forget my login name. I can forget my buddy doesn't have internet. He could have forgotten to pay his net bill. I can forget that MS's servers are down for maintenance. Etc, etc, etc...

Only after logging online first....which kind of defeats the purpose of "offline".

I know many people that have a 360, PS3, or Wii and have never taken it online. Ever. Why? Because they have no need to. They can play OFFLINE without the need to go ONLINE. People do still purchase video game consoles for the video games and not all the other features that they don't care about.

Is it really? Really? Are you sure about that? Because, if I'm not mistaken, the only thing I need to play PS4 games on my buddies console is a TV and electricity.

For the Xbone, I need a TV, electricity, working internet, an xbox live account, to live in a country that supports xbox live, a hard drive in the xbone console large enough to hold the game that I'm downloading from the cloud, MS's servers working properly, and probably something else I'm forgetting...

Not to mention if I actually want to lend my game to my friend. For PS4, I can just give him the game and be done with it. For Xbone, he's got to dig up a transfer fee or the console locks him out of the game. And once he does that, then I'm no longer allowed to play the game once he's done with it because games can only be transferred once...

I'm pretty sure I'm doing that on my PS3 already. Game sharing.

I can go to my cousin's house, download something from PSN on my account, then he can log in with his account and play the game. There is a limit to that (total number of downloads of a purchase).

I can agree with you on that. The same thing can be said of the Xbone. I see no reason to upgrade to either unless you want silly restrictions on the games that you purchased.

Hell, the head guy of Xbox even came out and said "If you don't like online restrictions, we have a solution for you. Stick with the 360." (I paraphrased, but that was the jist of it --> http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06...ternet-can-stick-with-xbox-360-says-microsoft)

So...yea....fuck MS...

 

Alright, I guess we're different in that my friends and I have access to regular internet connection.

 

The wireless PS3 guys can barely keep a stable connection as it is, and no way can Sony afford to run vast banks of servers to keep terrabytes of games stored in the cloud.
Being forced into selling the hardware at $400 is probably a loss 'leader' the bean counters at SCEI already know is a high stakes gamble, that could cripple the entire wider corporation.
This isn't Sega they're trying to outspend any more.

 

The crap Microsoft is saying regarding the advantage of their always-online system will only be bought by people who don't have a clue regarding digital distribution on the PC. There are advantages that Steam and other DD stores have that far outweigh the benefits MS is proclaiming. First, you can own a physical copy of a game you buy on Steam. Copying to a DVD is fairly easy. And you don't need to run a game through Steam to play them. Place your .wad files into Doom Legacy, for instance, and you'll never need Steam. Also, you can choose to play your games on Steam offline. It isn't a true offline mode, as you need to log in to Steam to enable it. But the option is there.

And if what Shinobi told me is true, once a publisher decides to pull a game from Steam (which is very unlikely), you'll still be able to play the game. I've voiced concerns over Steam before, but they were mostly hypothetical.

Additionally, games on Steam can be pretty cheap. I have no idea what Microsoft will charge for games yet.

 

Less than PS4 and it's all over. The NeoGaf threads would be incredible.

 

Nah, Killzone is fairly shit. I can't stand the cover mechanism. Nearly, if not all, FPS games have cover as a natural element of play, but not in a manner so forced and rigid as in cover shooters. I can't stand how you don't move very much and also how your enemies don't move very much. I think that regenerating health is crap, too. Killzone 3 was okay, but Rainbow Six: Vegas is probably the best cover shooter in existence. Especially the one-hit kills. Not many games show how powerful guns are.

I hate Japanese RPGs. All of them. They play more like interactive novels with poor dialogue. Demon's Souls though... I don't think that was an RPG. I think it had some light RPG elements.

I'm not saying this to be offensive (and I know a lot of people will be), but I think that Shenmue is one of the worst, most terrible shit bag IPs in the history of computer gaming. The trailer marketed this game as an RPG, but it plays absolutely nothing like one. The majority of the game plays like an adventure game without a point-and-click mechanism. You walk to one person who tells you to talk to another person who then tells you to talk to another person who then tells you to talk to another person. That's what the majority of the game felt like. And the dialogue was absolutely awful. Some of the characters sounded lifeless, while others just annoying.

Now, if the stuff between all of that stuff was fun, then okay. But the other things you do... for crying out loud. They are terrible. Traveling from place to place is boring. There are no fun ways to travel whatsoever. The combat is also dumb. People compare this to VF? That's a joke. But ever worse are these QTE moments. Pressing a button when prompted is hardly a venerable gameplay element. They can also blindside you. Either play a cut-scene or have the players play. Doing both at once doesn't work. Limited scripting is good scripting. Games should be dynamic.

The puzzles were also very bad. Buy a light bulb so you can light a room to see what you have to do next. That's a Shenmue puzzle. I'm used to puzzles in games being easy, but these are especially easy. They feel designed for children.

What are the things that people like about this game? Racing forklifts? The story can be interesting? The music was above average? I'd like to know.

 

The graphics, and the characters, and the sense of exploration through a realistically and lovingly created 1980s Hong Kong. The three discs spanning part II, were the absolute zenith of Dreamcast development and programming, in my view. At the time, there was nothing else like it, on any platform, and for the experience and charm, there's still nothing like it.

I remember the big flagship game at a similar time everyone was waiting for on the new PS2 (which had hardly any games except Timesplitters and Tekken Tag) was MGS2. I was done and dusted with that over-bloated incoherent mess in 3 days, and never touched it again.

Many facets of the innovation present in Sega's last console were then carried over to Xbox, with the online play, PAL 60hz, as well as exclusive in-house classics like Panzer Orta and OutRun 2 (later ported to PS2 in a choppy, offline state).

Shenmue III on Wii U... stranger things have happened. When VF4E hit PS2, I could never have imagined I would be playing part 5 today on Xbox with credible online comp round the clock. Same deal with super expensive grail Saturn games like Radiant Silvergun.
PlayStation brand has been good for RPGs over the years, but for Japanese arcade gaming, Saturn and Dreamcast arguably topped them, and this century, both Xboxes have given them serious competition in this field too, it's undeniable.

 

You know, I loved the fact that the Asian characters actually looked Asian in that game. Lots of Japanese games feature protagonists (and other characters) who look White in order, I presume, to appeal to a wider market. The sense of culture was there and it was cool in that aspect. Finding characters who spoke Chinese in order to translate Chinese characters... great. I thought that the PAL version had dialogue that was too direct (How many times was "I see" said?!), but it makes sense in Japanese because that's how they speak. I would have appreciated better translations, but at least I was able to understand it.

The thing that killed me starting with Shenmue II was that it ruined the immersion the first game set. Ryo can't understand Chinese and needs translators, except when he gets to Hong Kong. Either everything in Hong Kong is written in Japanese, or Ryo somehow managed to learn Chinese on his way over there. He seems to understand both what everybody is saying and all the signs in Hong Kong. Maybe I'm missing something? I haven't gotten far into the second game, but that really disappointed me. If it's explained later into the game, then I don't know about it.

 

More like PC vs consoles war, which PC won few days ago.

 

Japanese RGPs have changed a lot recently. I think they now make the best RPGs. Demon's Souls (it is an RPG or some would say action-RPG), Dark Souls, Dragon's Dogma and I've heard Xenogears is really great.

 

Have you tried Ni No Kuni? Without a doubt, it's one of the best - if not the best - JRPG of this generation. Square Enix can learn a thing or two about story development, well written dialogues and unique character design.

As for Shenmue, it is an adventure on a epic scale. Of course it wasn't a RPG. Thanks to Yu Suzuki's masterpiece we can enjoy open world games such as GTA and Red Dead Redemption. Shenmue was groundbreaking, back in 2000.

 

I guess it's not just Sony fans or broke gamers who think Xbox One is bad news:

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/dfc-the-entire-future-of-the-xbox-business-is-in-question/0117250

Microsoft done f**ked up seriously...