Namco still up for Tekken vs. VF

best match up for lion will be hworang for sure.
not in terms of skill, but egos.

 

Leo from T6 uses mantis style so she is the equivalent to Lion.

Goh and Dragunov are very similar appearance wise.

 

Leo uses Bajiquan. Zafina has a stance labeled Mantis (although it's not terribly similar to Lion's). Goh vs Dragunov *could* work since Sambo has a large Judo component (although I see Dragunov matching up to Vanessa closer stylistically).

 

AKURA VS. PAUL NUFF SAID

 

Really? (Checks some vids)

Hmm, she does have DLC and SenZanKou. (/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif )

Well, she looks a hella like Lion.

What style is considered for Julia?

 

Supposedly Xing Yi (Wang's style) mixed with Bajiquan (although she does have wrestling/lucha style throws).

Bajiquan and Judo got ripped up a distributed over in Tekken land.

 

Looking at this post, to me there are some really good ideas. However, im no fighting pro, but i've noticed that the majority of people in arcades would choose Tekken over VF because Tekken isnt as hard to handle IMO (and alot of others). I've known mates choose Tekken as their fave, because its more fun. People dont always wanna take fighting games seriously. If there was to be a game of this kind, i think vareity should still be a key aspect, though alot of it should be simplified to welcome newcomers.

And how would VF match up to the "Rage" system? Would that be a good thing to encorpoate?

 

I do agree with you. But here's what's going on under the surface.

Analysis:

its more fun[/size]: Translation - easier to win rounds and sometimes matches against players with more skill than you have.

its more fun[/size]: Translation - easier to make it look like you know what you're doing without really knowing what you're doing

its more fun[/size]: Translation - easier to place the blame for your loss on some trick the other player used.

its more fun[/size]: Translation - Luck is a bigger factor

Tekken isnt as hard to handle: [/size] Translation1 - No matter what button I push something good happens /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif Translation2 - easier to make it look like you know what you're doing without really knowing what you're doing


People dont always wanna take fighting games seriously:[/size] Observation - This is true until they gain some real skillz playing whatever fighting game they're playing. Then all of sudden, they start talking about the finer points of whatever game.

Human nature mate, people usually only have fun at games where they feel they have a reasonable chance at winning. That reasonable chance[/size] tends to be a lot bigger more often with Tekken than it does with VF.

The more I think about it Tekken vs VF[/size] (with Tekken mechanics intact) would not really add any new Tekken players to Tekken to the Tekken scene. The Tekken fanbase will always buy the next Tekken no matter what's in it. VF vs Tekken[/size] (with VF mechanics intact) could draw some intermediate-good Tekken players to VF (especially ones that had never heard of VF) because VF has a higher reward/time ratio than Tekken does. So, if Sega produces
VF vs Tekken(VF mechanics intact) then the VF fanbase will grow a little because we will add some intermediate-good Tekken/SC players that may have never heard of VF. If Namco produces Tekken vs VF (Tekken mechanics intact) then its a wash. Namco will not add any VF players to their fanbase.

And watering down VF to get Tekken/SC players would only hurt VF
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Lee/Law/Jacky
Akira/Paul
Jin/Kazuya/Jean
Taka/Ganryu
Lei Fei/Lei Wulong
Kage/Raven
Lau/Feng Wei
Jeffry/Craig Marduk
Sarah/Nina
Wolf/King/Armor King
Pai/Ling
Shun/Wang
Lion/Hwoarang
Aoi/Asuka
Vanessa/Julia
Brad/Bruce
Goh/Sergei
El Blaze/Eddy
Eileen/Leo


Fill out the rest of the Sega roster characters from Shenmue, LAst Bronx, and Fighting Vipers can be thrown in.

 

looking at that list makes me notice that vf heavyweights, are well... heavyweights.

we have jeff n wolf. they have marduk and king.
instant walkover win!

lei wulong should be paired with shun instead of lei fei
lei fei should be paired with feng wei instead.

 

In fact Feng Wei has by far most resemblances with Akira. I cant comment on T6 Leo because I havent seen him/her? fight.

Lei Fei REALLY has no equivalent in any fighting game. Neither has Lion, imo.

 

Lau vs Feng Wei
Lei Fei vs Lei Wulong

 

Feng Wei is kind of like Paul Phoenix.

Feng/Paul vs. Akira

 

If this game was done, I would want to see a tag team function so I could play as Leo and Vanessa. Then again, if I did that, I might overdose on pure, unfiltered sex.

 

Personality-wise
Lion/Lili
Eileen/Xiaoyu(Makes waaay more sense than Xiao/Pai)
Goh/Drag
Shun/Wang or Lei
Lei/Feng or Lei
El Blaze/One of the Kings.

Also I wouldn't want any of the Tekken characters left out in this game. All my mains would gone.

 

Thanks for pointing out the undertones too, they are dark naturally.

I think that in essence, its very true about Tekken having its own guise for button bashing in a way, though i really like Tekken.

However on a marketing perspective Tekken appeals to alot of people who just dont have time to master characters, like its taken me a few years to fully understand VF(or some understanding), however on my first play on Tekken i picked it up after the first few rounds.

In my opinion VF stands out as the masters game and Tekken the underdog. I have enjoyed mastering VF, i suppose that is its longevity for many players.

Also i dont think it could hurt VF as much if there was a game like this, i myself moved from Tekken to VF, i suppose everyone has their own take on games.

 

I've been lurking these boards for quite some time, and this is the first time I've been compelled to post.

Seriously... I love both games (Tekken and VF), but your post clearly shows that you do not know anything about Tekken.

Untrue. This was possibly true back in T4, when Jin was broke as fuck, but not so in BR. I'm not saying BR is as balanced as 5R (there are rubbish characters), but a good number of the cast is pretty solid.

If Akira is S+ in 5R, and everyone is fairly close in the tiers, the same is somewhat true in BR with Steve being S+, a large majority of the cast being close, and then a few (about 3) rubbish ones at the bottom. For a cast that large, that's not a bad deal (unless your character is at the bottom of course).

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Absolutely untrue. PPPK is easier to pull off than 3124 any day. Again, not bashing VF at all (it is the better game), but this is rubbish and reeks of bitterness and envy.

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Such as? Getting whooped by a rush down? VF is far more unforgiving. Getting nailed by 2 to 3 Akira combos on CH pretty much leaves you with fuck all.

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More BS. Maybe you've selectively forgotten about VF's ring outs? Because if you've lost by way of being hit by a Tekken unblockable (which takes a fortnight to finish), you should quit fighting games.

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This is actually true. Tekken looks good ALL the time. VF only does sometimes. Why do you think more people play it?

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People dont always wanna take fighting games seriously:[/size] Observation - This is true until they gain some real skillz playing whatever fighting game they're playing. Then all of sudden, they start talking about the finer points of whatever game.

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Nope. Untrue. It's in fact even smaller in BR. Ever seen a newb go against an intermediate in BR? It's painful to watch. No one with half a brain will ever get hit by a "match deciding unblockable god move" in BR. But, to reiterate one of your points - even when you're losing, you look good in Tekken.

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Again, untrue. Every time Namco makes a major update (TTT to T4 to T5 to T6 were all major updates), some people leave, others join. A lot of TTT players quit when T4 showed up, and only returned when BR was released.

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VF vs Tekken(VF mechanics intact) then the VF fanbase will grow a little because we will add some intermediate-good Tekken/SC players that may have never heard of VF. If Namco produces Tekken vs VF (Tekken mechanics intact) then its a wash. Namco will not add any VF players to their fanbase.
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Who the hell do you think bought VF in the US? several hundred thousand VF-exclusive fans? You're hallucinating here. A lot of Tekken players play VF as well. The "general" SC/Tekken camps play VF - the only game no one (with a brain) touches is DOA.

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Yes, I agree actually.

I'm sure a lot of you are already aware of this, but let me reiterate:

The reason why nobody plays VF? It's because 1)Character design sucks, and 2)It doesn't look cool. Am I saying BR is better than 5R? Not on your life. 5R is wicked brilliant. (Yes, I live in Asia and I have the fortunate luxury of being only a 1-hour flight away from Japan).

But the sad truth is: VF never picked up in the US because the characters and the game aren't interesting to casual people. Akira would be written off in Tekken as a "generic ryu-type dude... the kind you see in a Tekken bonus game". The same goes for every character. Save for Goh, Jean, and Taka, everyone is DRY.

If Tekken vs VF ever happened, how many people do you think would choose Lei Fei over Lars? On one hand you have a generic kung fu monk, who is... gasp... bald. And on the other hand you have Heihachi's unknown bastard son, who has electric fists, looks like Son Goku, and can send you crashing into the wall half way across the screen.

Seriously, bring in any 12-year old, and which game will that kid choose?

You're right about one thing - Tekken vs VF will not do anything for VF at all. Not unless Akira looks like a cross between Bahn from FV and Akuma from SF.

The sad truth is: VF needs to LOOK like Tekken for it to revive itself. In an era where we have movies like the Matrix, cartoons like Bleach, Naruto, Dragonball, etc. How exciting does VF appear to the general public?

My point is: ragging on Tekken isn't going to do anything. It's just poor form. At worst, you're giving the Tekken fanboys a reason to laugh at the sorry state VF is in.

VF is the better game, absolutely, even Tekken players know that, but Tekken is more entertaining, which is why it sells more, and thus, has more competion, which is why high-level Tekken players still do not switch to VF: No Comp outside of Japan. Being bitter about that is tantamount to being bitter about mankind - that's just how everything works.

 

This is my strong opinion about Tekken. (In addition to its horrible movement/tracking system) Tekken looks so ugly I couldnt play it long.

 

No one from Tekken should be allowed to comment on VF's character design considering you can fight a Kangaroo with a Panda...

 

And the sad part is that the Kangaroo and the Panda have more character than the entire cast of VF5 combined.

Unfortunately, nobody's sole opinion matters (myself included). What matters in the end is if the game is financially viable enough to continue investing money in. SC sells, Tekken sells, SF4 has sold, while VF sales are dwindling in the US, Japan, and Europe.

As someone else said: VF is dying a slow painful death. Personally, I would be depressed if Sega said that 5R is the last VF we will see.

Depressed, but not surprised.