NAMCO copying Sega/AM2 again.

once again quote of the moment
"Don't argue with stupid people, they bring you down to their level and beat you with expertise."

replicant = devils advocate troll

and how far is NC from SC anyways lol. Im sure a grown man could handle such a looong trip. You dont goto tournaments for the skill level, you go for the experience.

Hell I busted my ass to make it to Texas a 22 hour drive straight, (i cant thank you enough talis and catherine for the sacrafice you guys made), not with the intention of winning, but to measure up, meet new people, grow tighter into the VF community. We all knew that IMF was gonna make it into top 3. I knew that I had no chance at winning. Theres more to life than just winning.

Is it that hard to expose yourself to the real world?

 

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and how far is NC from SC anyways lol. Im sure a grown man could handle such a looong trip. You dont goto tournaments for the skill level, you go for the experience.

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The distance isn't the issue. That particular example was to correct someone about the comp being in SC and not in NC. About the issue of why you go to tournaments. That can't be answered so easily. People go to tournaments or any social gathering for varying reasons from testing ones skill to hanging out with like minded individuals. I personally want to go to VF tourneys in the future to see how well I can do against the best people in the US/Canada. For me I want to be able to bring a good level of skill to the comp in respect to those who are trying to prove themselves there as well. If I show up with mediocre skills and lose 3-0 to IMF, Namflo, Llan, Spotlite, etc. , then I have not only wasted my time, but wasted theirs as well. Showing up for a tourney without the intent to try and win, seems like a waste of time for me. If you just want to hang with people, then you can just organize a gathering for that sole intent.

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No, not at all. I just want to compete *AND* be social with people. I don't want to be the guy left out, because I have no skills to hang with the big guys/gals. If I can get a fairly solid knowlege of Evo going and give some of these people a run for their money, then I will feel better when we are eating pizza and drinking beer talking about whatever. I don't have to win, but I do want to be competitive.

 

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If I show up with mediocre skills and lose 3-0 to IMF, Namflo, Llan, Spotlite, etc. , then I have not only wasted my time, but wasted theirs as well

Not really. I mean, getting schooled can be educational (thought that one up on the fly)! Obviously if you are 'inferior' to the competition you aren't going to give anything to them of value but trade isn't so even all the time; what they give to you is of huge value.

As for being the guy left out, I don't know how it is in the states in Toronto showing up is a major thing. If your attitude is polished your game can be shabby and no one cares. you still belong. Gatherings are social (or should be, in my opinion) by nature.

GE

 

I "personally" didn't care for it. <shrug>

This implies it's merely a difference of taste...

Sorry my standards aren't as low as yours.

This implies you think you're superior to me... and is generally why you've had a rough start on this board, and have earned a reputation as an arrogant jackass.

Are we clear?

PS: I have my own opinions as you do. <shrug> You guys need to lay off of the testosterone milkshakes in the morning and eat more fiber.

You need to work on your tone, strictly as an offer of writing advice.
Maybe you'll 'care enough to consume it'. Be consistent: either stick with the lighthearted "you say potato..." we're-all-civilized-and-here's-the-token-smiley tone, or stick to the condescending my-experience-with-media-scholars-teaches-me-that-my-opinions-need-no-explication-and-are-superior-to-yours.

Why waste time with mixed signals?

 

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Trust me you'll be wasting no ones time. As small as the VF community is, the more the merrier. Plus the big three at texas doesnt have to be your target. You can be competitive with people on your level. Brisal73 now rivals Jedi Fei, and Yakinihku (one day i will spell that right) aims to show me up at the next tournament. Prior to the tournament none of us had any relations with the other group.

Meet people, play hard then move to the next level. Your not gonna get better by playing the computer all day. Plus VF people are usually pretty cool and tell you what the weak points of your game is. If you really want to get better, you goto console or arcade meets, then try to play clutch at tournaments.

play people get better no joke.

 

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Not really. I mean, getting schooled can be educational (thought that one up on the fly)! Obviously if you are 'inferior' to the competition you aren't going to give anything to them of value but trade isn't so even all the time; what they give to you is of huge value.


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I guess that's our difference in thought. I have never viewed a competition as a place to learn. That is what gatherings and just hanging out is for in my opinion. If you're competing, then you should be on top of your game and if you learn something in the process of winning or being defeated in the comp, then that is just icing.

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As for being the guy left out, I don't know how it is in the states in Toronto showing up is a major thing. If your attitude is polished your game can be shabby and no one cares. you still belong. Gatherings are social (or should be, in my opinion) by nature.


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If it's among friends, then in my experiences that is enough. The last big draw game around here was Tekken Tag and our local arcades were very competitive. Mini-comps, socials, and the what-not popped up all the time. The thing is that if you lacked in skill whether by being a scrub or just new, you were ostracized as a whole. The dominant players in our area would not even admit you even existed unless you could bring some game to them. Very elitist, but thats how it was. I personally played TTT a lot and won several comps in my area and tried to help any new players interested who dropped in a token beside me. Although, I was in a minority in this endeavor. Nobody here plays VF at all and nobody seems interested. VF1 and VF2 had a small following, but Tekken killed that. VF3 bombed horrendously and I have never seen a VF4/VF4E machine ever. I personally know nobody within 100 miles who plays VF other than 2-3 games casually. Maybe because VF is such a small community in respect to Tekken or SC, thats it's members are a bit more accepting. Not sure. I'm just learning myself after being a casual player since VF1.

 

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Tekken scene does not equal VF scene. Tekken has enough players in the game where they can isolate any scrub they feel like. VF we take what we can get.

And i wonder why other people call VF people elitist.

I have yet to meet a VF asshole, although theres some people on the boards I would never want to meet.

 

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The desire to want to get better and compete is part of the issue. The lack of real people to play within a reasonable distance is key here. The Charlotte guys are the only ones I know of within a decent driving distance and most if not all of them are only at UNC-C until semester ends, so in a month or so they will be gone for several months back to their homes. I've hung fliers at some local game stores and talked to players at our local arcades and nobody is interested in my area. Kinda sucks. If I wanted to play SC2, VS, or Tekken competitively then I would have no shortage of competition. /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

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ever considered posting a new NC thread inside the jamboree forum. Sometimes youll get good results. Those Utah seems to be picking up steam now. Hopefully we can have a larger west coast scene other than LA and CO.

 

Finally I have a chance to sit down and respond to some of this flying around.

To be perfectly honest, I was taken aback by the "um..ok" reply. I just didn't see what on earth you meant? Now, following some lengthy banter, you've come to say that you didn't care for it, or that it didn't do anything for you. Ok, hey, that's cool. Like you've stated, to each his own.

However. When it comes to other people's efforts, comments that are as ambiguous as "um..ok" can only create confusion. Because your post did not have anything worthwhile in it - and believe me when I say that I would've considered "y'know, that vid just did nothing for me" worthwhile - I had no choice but to assume that you were just trolling along. What else was I supposed to get from your post?

I can take criticism, no problem. One of the very first people I showed that trailer to - Reno from Versuscity.net - said exactly what you have only now revealed. It did nothing for him either. It was an neat clip, sure. The music he felt was ok. The transitions nicely done. But it was no adrenaline-infusion. And that's fine with me, it's his opinion and I respect that. But had he responded to me on IRC with "um....ok" I would've thought he was being a complete ass. Imagine this: you come to MoAT and sit down for a few games with me. I trounce your ass 3-0, bad. After the match, I turn to you and say "um..ok". What do either of us get out of that? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Better for me to say something along the lines 'not bad' or 'nice try on that combo' or whatever. And that's quite likely what you'd hear from me.

Nail-biting finishes, game faces, desperate tournament footage - yes, these are things which I would love to have included in a trailer. But not this one. This trailer was the first. It's was intended to represent a build up (hence the music) to what will be taking place in Toronto (hence the skyline). Nothing more. It was not intended to be a representation of what the tournament will be like. So, take it as that...a build up...a visual representation of the excitement for those travelling to Toronto (hence the highway) to compete in an epic VF battle - the MoAT. From that perspective, I'd say the trailer was spot on. But hey, I'm biased, I made it.

cheers,

 

For the record, as someone who has driven more than once on that highway to Toronto to play VF, I gotta say that the video got me pumped up... and the music and black and white footage fit it well... It got me excited, it made me want to play VF, it was well done, it worked...

Furthermore, I do think another trailer could also do a great job... I'd love to see footage from the previous MOATs to show what an historically important event it was to the VF world... And some gameplay footage... maybe some recent TO clips... and perhaps some of the more recent VF tournaments... The video could mention the controversy at NYG3, and the upset at TiT... The last two big VF tournaments eventful stuff has gone down... MOAT isn't going to be any different, so you better go! Something like that is what I'd love to see in the next trailer...

-Alex

 

Replicant.. seriously.. you will learn a whole lot more if you actually attend a tourney rather than sit at home waiting for a time to be competitive. Even if you lose 0-3 you'll get a chance and sit and watch people play. It's very beneficial. But hey, rather than thinking of something to reply to my post. Just keep playing vf4. Early.

 

Got to get in the act as I feel I brought up this topic in some thread...

Now, with the topic on hand... Namco copying Sega/AM2 again, I'll BE IMMATURE ENOUGH TO CHIME IN- I dispise Namco's American popularity and in my book. They are Sega's rivals, so naturally, I must at least, be on neutral ground, or even a little on the side of despising their asses.

That said, I'm man enough to try and buy their games. I just feel they should be concentrating more on original stuff, than always walking in Sega's footsteps.

Ah fuck it,... FUCK NAMCO.

 

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No, not at all. I just want to compete *AND* be social with people. I don't want to be the guy left out,

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So are you coming to MoaT? I'm "competitive" but I never win -- however I still play. I bitch about getting my ass kicked occasionally, but in the end I enjoy it I hope you do come that way people can finally meet, and get to know you.


cheers,
kbcat

 

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You know, my two favorite VF experinces involved me loosing hideously for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG period of time. The first was Ice-9 and Shota comming to my house and proceeding to EACH beat me a good 40~~50 times in a row. It was my crash course in Vf3 and my skills went up by leaps and bounds. NYG2 was probally the second time. I say this and not NYG1 b/c I felt that I gained more from NYG2 just because I have had decent exposure to the game by that point to really learn from the various ass kickings (anybody remember Adam going undefeated with Taka for about, 4 and a half hours!!!). Extreme conditions generally bring out the best in our abilities.

 

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Well have to see. It's a bit far off and I'll have to see how work is going, money, and whether my car can make it.

 

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Ironic, but Time Crisis 3 was just announced by Namco, coinciding with the Virtua Cop 3 announcement by AM2.

Source: Magic Box

 

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Urm, both were anounced a long time ago.

 

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Yeah, it's an example..

 

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Time Crisis 3 is already out. VC3 is a month or two away yet.