Matrix Revolutions [SPOILERS!!!]

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Kimble said:

after i discovered that it was Colonel Sanders who built it, it kinda turned me off.

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lol my thoughts exactly. i swear, the theater was full of laughter when that guy appeared on the screen. hahah good stuff.

 

Okay, I'll be as brief as I possibly can:

Love WAS VERY DIRECTLY put into the first movie's dialogue (I mean, it doesn't get any more obvious than "I love you"). I don't know why you're fretting about the names again...they're really not that important. I also find it interesting that you're making assumptions about the Wachowski's assumptions and presenting them as facts, and as such (I am sorry to say, without hedging your statement) you've given a hollow argument.

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in M1 you can just tell the way it is filmed how they wanted it portrayed..but in M2-3 they hired martial art guys (like Crouch Tiger style) which do not fit in with the traditional (based off of M1) matrix style fights..

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As for the diference in appearance of fight scenes between the two movies, aren't we forgetting one critical detail? Perhaps Neo is The One? His fighting style is DEFINITELY going to have changed. It seems that you're referring to the first movie's comic book/animé style when talking about the original, and the lack of it in the last two. Well, my friend, I'll just have to sit down with you one day and point out all the super-stylish, comic book-like moments, in fighting sequences and otherwise, in the last two films (crows flying towards screen to make the Smith reveal, loads of slo-mo moments during the burly brawl: particularly the one where Neo knocks 'em flat on their arses by taking out they're legs, the juxtaposition of Neo to Smith before the final fight in Revolutions, the view of Zion from the top down, looking at all the floors, the temple, the framing of the Merovingian scenes, Neo standing victorious n a smashed up Chateau as the last man standing...you get the idea, no?).

Not "eclectically appealing"? Okay, you said it not me...(it's the point was trying to make...this IS hard core sci-fi, most certainly not for everyone, but that doesn't make it crap). I have SEEN the story boards to the last two. They're just as comic booky as the first.

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well coming from a capitalistic society it's pretty much evident over here in the states that the last two Matrix films were done with a huge priority of making them lucrative, which judging by recent box office reports would indicate marginal success...what I mean is, they didn't really prioritive themselves with making these movies all philisophical and deep, they wanted to make money..period..

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Dude, that's just patronising...the UK isn't exactly a communist country either... /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Anyway, away from that, yes - WB studio's priority WAS to make as much money out of this as possible; that's always the studio's priority. I'm sure that the Wachowskis wouldn't have minded the cash either, but let's not forget that after the first movie, no matter what, they were hardly gonna be scarce of money no matter what happened, so I dn't think that they would have put in any less effort as you seem to be implying. Yeah, I'm not saying that they're not out to make money, but not everyone thinks along the lines of "I'm rich, I don't need to work". The most successful people always think contrary to that.

I didn't really notice the dance thing, but perhaps they were trying to make it look more exotic, hance the lack of caucasian faces? I mean, there are plenty of black AND white people in positions of power (Commander Lock, Captain Morpheus, Councillor Hamann, Councillor West...), so I don't think it's as simple as what you're making out...though it may well be so I'm not dismissing this argument.

As for the rave itself, yeah I know loads of people were annoyed by it, but having the chance to see what was effectively a Fluke music video on a huge cinema screen was pretty kewl for me...sorry.

And yes, sex does sell. So what?

As for the whole "Revolutions" thing, I always thought it meant a revolution as in a "revolt" or uprising against the system. Furthermore, it's obvious that YOU didn't understand the movie if you honestly believe that "nothing has an end". Yes, the Matrix program itself is reset...but The One is 'dead' so to speak, Zion is saved, and the 200-year war is over. I'm definitely gonna watch it again, and I can't wait to see the extra features on the DVD to see this movie in more depth.

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part one was an original movie with tons of substance and style.

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Well ofcourse it was!! That's the whole point!! It set up a new universe (like Marvel or DC) with new possibilities!! As for it the original "oozing and dripping with style", if there is only one trait that you can associate with the last two movies, it IS style!! In fact, going back to watch the original in the wake of the last two, you realise how great the sequels really are! The original had oogles of style, yes...but it only set the base for an exponential growth in almost every aspect for the sequels.

Man, I feel like I'm 14 again trying to convince all my pals that Sega really is the better company...

 

Another good reference.

http://www.thematrix101.com/revolutions/

 

Hey man you don't have to try so hard to convince people to like the movie. If people like it, they will say it. If they don't, they will too. If you have to convince people to like it, it already means that the movie is not "that" good. A good movie speaks for itself.

Another thing that turned me off was that fight with Smith in Reloaded. Why the heck did he have to fight all those Smith clones for 10 full mins and then chicken out by launching himself into space like superman?

 

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If you have to convince people to like it, it already means that the movie is not "that" good. A good movie speaks for itself.

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Hm...perhaps, but then, why do some magazines give the movie 3 stars, and others give it 5 stars? How come some people thought Kill Bill Vol. 1 was great and others thought it was rubbish? Quite simply, it's an interpretation, and these movies require a certain approach to watch and appreciate fully. Unfortunately, things aren't so black and white that they're either "good" or "bad"...there are other, more complicated adjectaveous words, phrases and paragraphs that go with it. That's what you call an analysis. It's what separates sci-fi fans from the not-so-sci-fi fans. As a result, a good movie may well speak for itself, but not to everyone. Some people need to have others speak for the movie to get why it's good. But then, there are always those who want "Bruce Willis In A Vest 4", and I'm kewl with that... /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Yeah, and as for the Neo Vs. 100 Smiths fight...well, at the end of the first movie, we saw Neo drunk with power, talking about all the people he's gonna free. Six months later, we see Neo not too sure about his purpose. Okay, I've freed so many people in six months, but what am I ACTUALLY supposed to do? He's aware about the fact that he remains "irrevocably human"...a fact that is perpetuated by the fact that he starts bleeding at the Merovingian's Chateau. deep down, he has something to prove. Furthermore, he must have come across other limitations in his abilities. He probably though he could take all the Smiths on, but their numbers kept growing exponentially, until they start piling on top of him ("Seanpile, Seanpile!" /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif) and he realises how ridiculous his efforts are. He flies away in a temporary state of defeat...an intriguiing development (perhaps even critical) in Neo's own journey and development as The One (or The Systemic Anomaly, if you will). After all, Reloaded is about the life of The One.

Hope that clears it up.