looking for the best moves off stagger

No it doesn t work, the 6k+g doesn t make bounce

 

This has probably been mentioned in some other thread already but: DS wall stagger > back crumple > > OS > wall hit > connects on everyone, including Taka for 114 damage. Unfortunately the combo is easy to unstagger (setting the CPU to "Stagger Recovery: Normal" knocks the opponent down instead of sidecrumling; setting it to "Fastest" ends gets blocked)

For reference, DS wall stagger > back crumple > > OS > wall hit > low wall splat > does 118 dmg. Ending with does 117 dmg.

Now, OS wall stagger > IS is harder to unstagger ("stagger recovery: normal" counts as combo):

Taka ONLY stagger followups:

does 84 dmg vs Taka and is braindead easy.

wall hit > bound > does 86dmg. Ending with does 85 dmg; with 83. and enders do not work.

Testing vs Jeffry:

CLOSED ONLY > > 105 dmg CLOSED ONLY. Difficult to connect off-axis.
CLOSED ONLY > does 100 dmg vs Jeffry and is braindead easy. Same off axis problem.
CLOSED ONLY > > > does 103. Same off axis problem.
bound > 98 dmg. Somewhat easier to connect off-axis.
wall splat > low wall splat > 97 dmg. Easier to connect off-axis.

I wonder if we should create a separate thread for wall staggers?

 

Still on stagger, i went back and tested DS WS a bit more.

Basically Chibitox's findings still hold; however i toyed around a bit more with ; the rewards are worth it.

DS WS CH > (17f+) > 87 dmg vs everyone excluding Taka.

Using before means the execution is 1f (or more) slower. You might be tempted to think "well, if i have to use a 17f move i might as well use ". However the range on is so short it requires a longer dash:

DS WS CH > (19f+) > head crumple combo approx* 87 dmg vs everyone.

*slightly less vs Taka, don't remember the value right now.

Of course, since the shoulder ram is also 19f:

DS WS CH > (19f) > OS 82 dmg vs everyone excluding Taka (even higher on middleweights and up).

Anyway, all of this doesn't seem that new.

The fun part: if your opponent is good at unstaggering, you don't have to use the dash for to connect (and you only need a short dash for ). Making them actually worth using against experienced players.

So basically, if you're playing against an opponent for the first time and you land DS ws go for the shoulder ram. If it gets blocked, next time go for . If that's also blocked, next time go for the WS / throw mixup.

Obviously, if you are already familiar with/you can guess the opponent's unstagger speed, you can skip the experimentation phase and choose the best option directly.

PS: toying around with dashes after a stagger i discovered that DS shoulder ram > OS > combo of your choice works!

 

DS IP wall stagger > ! hit-throw (65 dmg vs everyone).

This is probably common knowledge already but i thought i'd mention it to keep everything in the same thread.

 

(Stagger recovery: Normal)
CH, , , ~ 124dmg

 

@Kikimaru > should do 1 more damage

But DS > shoulder > OS float > bound > ender of your choice will probably do even more damage.

Also, please note that (as i mention in 4 posts ago) OS will whiff against some lightweights because the shoulder stagger pushes them further away than heavier characters. So i recommend using > followup of your choice (which is 1f slower) or substituting with a combo instead.

 

Apparenntly stomach facing the wall > OS 6P wall stagger > 6P+K slam > jab > 3KPK wall slump > 3P+KK works (can be seen here: https://youtu.be/isd2pKn1tTI?t=5120)