lion Surprise Exchange

I think people dont use that because its pretty easy to EDTEG after the first 2 hits. If you use , or theres no thought of evading.

Just wanted to share something I read in Arcadia.

As you know, is guaranteed, and the way to guard the followup is to hold the stick toward your opponent during the 1st hit (which turns you around) and press to guard the 2nd. However, if Lion anticipates that you're going to do this, he can go for a more damaging + combo.

However, Arcadia tells of a technique which allows you to both guard the 2nd hit of the and avoid the . What you do is escape in the direction of your stomach (front side) and then press . You'll either guard the second or safely escape the , and this works in VF4 and Evo.

Now you can successfully defend against Lion's two best options after the exchange and force a guessing game.

 

Pleasure's all mine /versus/images/icons/grin.gif

 

I coulda sworn testing df,df+G (see this post) found that it avoided both bb+K or df+P,P?

I meant to comment on this earlier.

I didn't know about this method to avoid both options, so is it:

1. df,df+G, or
2. df,df,G (i.e. neutral+G)

If it's no.1, then I don't see how you can be in a crouch+guard state and successfully protect against a mid attack (i.e. df+PP). Also, being in a crouch and guard state while BT'd = potential back stagger.

If it's no.2, then I don't know what effect df,df has while you're in a Back Turned state. That is, you can't crouch dash away from your opponent, only towards them, and the motion described looks like a crouch dash away.

After thinking about it, I guess db,db,G may work in that you'll turn around to guard the second P or crouch dash under the b,b+K. Looking at the frames, Lion is +12 after the throw, and his b,b+K takes 15 frames to execute. So I guess that means you have 3 frames to crouch dash backwards (assuming it's even possible).

The reason I didn't bother testing this is because after reading about the escape to front side method, the above seems kinda redundant, not to mention risky.