Lei-Fei and Vanessa on LIVE

Myke unfortunately i have only had the pleasure of playing only one vannesa player before live and thats my roommate nelson(ghettoshun). Now anyone who knows nelson knows his skill level and what he is capable of. Even he thinks the middle kick thing is total bs and just to much when its added to all the other tools she has. I'm not complaining about it being cheap im just stating a fact that she is a little over powered and the fact that everyone who can't be creative just uses it and only it means something has got to be wrong. As for intruder step well its not cheap but it damn abusable like most of vanessa's strings. Name any other character who can do 4 string moves that leave them either at advantage, even, small disadvantage and still have sabaki's or other tools to still even the ground over and over again. Sure you could day eileen but eileen doesn't gave an ace in the hole she can always lay on the table like vanessa. Cough cough middle kick step back repeat.....

 

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Why are we suddenly hearing this BS.

As for vanessas strings, uh, what can I say... DUCK. You may notice that all of those 'advantageous' strings hit HIGH. You havent played against good Vanessas, ok, then you should also realize that
a.) You havent yet figured out the right countertactics
b.) Its online, certain stuff works better because of lag. That doesnt mean some character is overpowered.

If vanessas (DS) f,f+K is somehow insurmountable obstacle for you, take brad and reverse it. Im not gonna even comment if you meant her sidekick..

 

Your advice is greatly welcomed. But I already knew that. Against skilled players like nelson he won't repeat such strings. However, I'll try to use what you say to my advantage. But again at this point in time I really dont have many problems with the vanessa I face. Again I'm just stating a fact. Its no difference when i thought akira was a little over powered in vf4 evo. Evade anything and standing palm was pretty mich guaranteed. Combine that with A.R.E and could be your worst nightmare. So with that said, It still doesn't change the fact she is the she-hulk of vf.

 

I Completely agree. Both with the slightly over powered nature as well as the lack of tactics from players. Most players who use Vanessa use the same exact tactic and it gets frustrating. I would say the most frustrating part is that the match becomes so simple and pathetic. I go from playing people like Konjou and then I will play some scrub that use the same middle kick over and over. It comes down to the better player being annoyed and having to result in lame counter tactic to get around this ONE move.

I hate calling this or really any strategy in VF cheap or overpowered, but Vanessa is up there.

 

I was the first victim to that bullshit. I couldn't believe he beat me using ONE move. We all had no idea she had a move that was so cheap (other than 1p). I swear I felt like wringing his neck after that. heh heh /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif

We caught on to it after a few matches where Yosuke had to switch it up. Her back dash is really good and we have never seen it used that way before.

I haven't played VF5 online yet (hopefully later today /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif ) so I can't comment on the online Vanessa players style. If they are constantly doing string attacks I don't see that as being a big problem to fight against. If they are performing sabakis after blocked attacks that is a different story. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

 

Like, are you guys serious? Like....really?

I'm not the cock of the walk or anything but the simplest way to deal with her sidekick/ F,F, 6 is to either

a) get a character who can reverse it (Yay Brad!)
b) get a character who can easily parry it (yay b,f, K Goh!)
c) back up and let it whiff then follow up with your own brand of a quick mid

This reminds me of that shitty T.V. show The Smart Guy. There was that episode where T.J. had to square off against Deep Blue and realized the only way to beat it was to use completely random and unusual tactics. It seems most of you are saying "OMFG! They keep doing 3-4 of the same moves over and over again and it's so weird and broken because most players don't do that!" Go to a Tekken 4 Jack forum or a DOA4 Brad forum and bitch about broken tactics in VF5. >_>

I still run into incredible players online with over 50 wins and win ratio's over 80%. You can't tell me that they have just managed to avoid playing Vanessa. Rather than complaining about the tactics (or lack thereof) go read up on how to deal with it.

Because my secondary player is Goh, and if I can deal with quick spam BS then you damn well should be able to.

 

I was playing against Jeneric this morning, and I realized that the takedown throws are really annoying.

I can't figure out how to counter the hits while you're lying on the floor getting pounded.

Does anyone know what you press? Is it.. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif
or just /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif and a direction?

And what directions on the stick should you use to counter the punches, and the ground throw, cause I've played against other Vanessas and managed to somehow get out of it by fluke.

 

Notice the highlighted text.

 

both...it's a 50/50 guessing game. no direction required

 

Wrong.

It's in her Command List.

 

I remember a Kage thread like this. lol

 

Exactly, when I play a Ranked match I am focused on the game and giving it my all and using every trick I know to try to win as my El Blaze. I mean, I'm still not very good, this is the first VF I've seriously set down and tried to learn, so my record is 5-25 right now. Part of that is because even though I'm only 9th Kyu, I'll still throw myself up against a 5th dan or whatever player, because I can usually learn very valuable lessons from my fights.

Heck, I've got a couple of my wins come from high ranked players by finding a strategy they don't know how to cope with and using it a lot, or by intelligent use of ring outs. (One of my wins was with three ring outs, and each ring out was basically my only hit of the fight, the rest was me getting pummeled)

But, when I play a player match? I am talking, and laughing, doing ridiculous stuff while explaining game mechanics to my friends like "No, no, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif from Rocket Discharge is unblockable, you gotta duck or side step!" and generally having a great time.

 

Stats don't count at all, what you do offline is what counts.
If the community don't get this mentality I can just say have fun at your future gatherings/tournaments, because noone will be there.
As a DoA-player, I am testament to this.

 

Actually, what I do online counts a ton, to me. Because I have practically zero offline competition, therefore, playing competitively online is the only way I'm going to get better at the game.

And if there aren't people at a DoA tourney, I'd say that has more to do with the game being a POS than anything else.

 

Actually, I'm on the side of Off-Line being more important. How you react to lag is not a testament to how good you are. And like Freyja said, if you have everyone online, they won't bother coming to tournaments, and at that point, what's the point in people coming to watch? You've turned a great spectator sport and social event into nothing but hermits staying at home rather than getting fresh air.

 

Uh, people will still go to tournaments for the exact reason you just said Gallows.

"How you react to lag is not a testament of how good you are."

The real test of skill, of who's better, is always going to be a tournament. Plus, like you said, it's a great, fun, social experience.

I'm not saying Online is more important that Offline, but simply that Online is still important. Especially to people like me who don't have a strong Offline VF scene around them. What do you want me to do? Play against the computer all day, and then when I go to a tournament get rocked because I have no idea how real humans play?

The lag isn't that bad online, getting used to playing without lag will be a lot easier then getting used to playing against actual humans.

 

It's easy to be judgemental about something you know next to nothing about.

While online is a good medium for people to learn certain things within the game, there is no doubt that it is flawed and because of that it can't really count.
Placing 1st in an online tourney with say 10 other good players, or placing 1st offline under the same circumstances have an entirley different meaning behind them.
Online there is no telling that the guy who won was abusing some online tactic which becomes really hard to beat due to latency, offline you don't have these random elements so the likleyhood of the best player winning is alot higher.

 

Actually, I know enough about DOA to call it a POS. It's an opinion. I really just don't like the game, or anything about it, really.

And as to your second paragraph, thanks for restating what I've already said.

 

It sounds like an uneducated opinion.

 

I'm sorry, but people aren't always going to like the things you like, and it's not always going to be out of ignorance.

Different strokes for different folks, and let's leave it at that, because this is definitely off topic. K?