Lag Sucks

Un-Fucking-Believable. Your mental block came from the fact you were conditioned into believing that playing without using 2p is Moral. Listen X whatever the rest of the letters are.. Only losers Cry about 2p online 4 years later seriously. Its a option next to block and evade... Like Cozby said Crouching is Good. I gusess your listening to people Bitch and cry about 2p during a match cause it WORKS against them.

You were already beat mentally.. I would've left after that match. Knowing full well your Eileen 2p is 10 frames plus lag its about 6. You could taken what Konjou was giving you and just stuff it with a 2p and keep it moving.

 

Yea, I pretty much couldn't, and I know what you mean. I probably shouldn't even try in lag like that...

 

Sara's 2P is 12f, so you can use any "mid" under 19f(big range actually) to beat it. But if you use standing punch right after your 2P, then you got hit by your opponent's 2P cuz it's high, not mid.

 

Uh, no, not really. It's more like, if mashing 2p is the only move I have that actually gets me anywhere, what's the point? Like Dennis said, that's not VF anymore.

 

The problem with that is that you don't always necessarily want to go straight for the elbow for fear of getting sidestepped. That was happening to me a lot. In cases like that I would normally try to read my opponent's movement and either block, throw, or delayed attack depending on what they do. But when there's lag, I have to guess instead of reacting. If I don't I'll just get thrown before I know what happened.

 

One question zyx, what's your best option or normally you would like to attack your opponent after 2P CH hit?

I totally agree what you say about reading your opponents moves, but I'm also confused too. Why would you tend to bock when your 2P already hit your opponents at first? Because you realized he was going to low punch you immediately?

 

Well, that and I couldn't hit check the 2p reliably.

 

Lag sucks... (no shit)

You just RECENTLY came to the conclusion that lag makes you garbage at VF!?

I don't even understand this thread. If I were in your position I would, I don't know, leave the game? It's too laggy, it's not VF anymore as Dennis pointed out.

Also no offense but your lucky it's super laggy when facing konjou, it's probably the reason your cutting out even with him otherwise he'd clean you up.

 

No matter 2P CH or NH leaves you advantage, so pressing G button is probably the last thing you should do, and that's why I was confused you tended to block during that situation. I'm not familiar with Elieen, but I recalled her 2_3P+K(sort of uppercut for me) is good after 2P hit. Somehow this move has evasive property against 2P and elbow(not sure), and the coming shoulder can be a threat even after your opponent's evade or block.

Like I said, if you can't constantly do anything properly at +7, it's not VF anymore, so just leave it

 

You do realize though, if I cut out every person I played with where lag was at least somehow an issue, I'd have like 2 or 3 people online to play with. The point of this thread (if anything) is that I was seriously considering if it's better to play a lag match for what it is, or to try and play it straight up moral and hope for the best. Especially in light of the fact that if both players gear their play to the lag to the best of their abilities, the game really does become pretty lame.

*sigh*, and here we go with the needless posturing. I wasn't even trying to make this thread about the matches I had with Konjou, but the people posting in this thread had other ideas it seems.

 

Regarding Konjou, I know the thread wasn't about what I said but I'm just letting you know so you don't day-dream the possibilities of what would happen in a flawless connection against him, you would lose and badly.

Once again, my answer can pretty much sum up to don't play VF when it's really laggy. You only have 2/3 people to play with when lag isn't an issue? Quit VF altogether then, don't waste your time. That's my opinion, you can play them if you want.

Who cares about deciding on being moral or spamming your P's at this point and time of VF's current state, if anything it would have been more relevant years ago back when the game was actually alive. You should go back in retirement and do something useful instead of being Konjou's punching bag because it's too laggy to do anything about it.

 

Yo Xzyx, if you didn't even know that standing P grants the player advantage on guard, and P being the most commonly used move in the game... how would you know about other things that could be considered lag abuse, or failing because of lag, or not?

Maybe sometimes you're put into frame traps and don't even know it, and since you're playing online and a lot of times you manage to get out more times than not, you may think it's official. When in fact you getting out of it was because of the lag.

It sounds like some of this is partially a situation on bad habits built and some lack of knowledge about some of the game's key strikes.

 

Your opinion has been noted, and subsequently disregarded as being irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Yea, I mean why the hell would anyone ever want to play online? If you'd ever actually played offline you'd surely have noticed that it gives you a much larger and more consistent window to react to things. Yea, you may be onto something there Kamais. Let's all just play offline all day and pretend this whole online business never happened... So, do you want to buy the airplane tickets to fly me around the world to fight my matches, or should I start some sort of fund?

I don't know, I sort of like playing the game for one thing... At least when the matches are actually good. My matches with HappyFriend today were pretty good at least, which gives me some hope.

 

Actually, I'm not too sure about that one myself. Honestly, it's not like I know nothing about how the frames in VF work, but somehow that one never really crossed my mind. I guess it never seemed that important because normally I would just sidestep or 2p for advantage, or something similar, without even thinking about it.

 

Knowing about P, 2P, and fast mid, is one of the most important things one should know about the game at the foundation.

A light bulb went off, if you knew more about some of these things in the game, you'd be able to spot instantly when someone is abusing lag or not and could easily determine if your matches are currently playable. At the same time, you'd also have better matches with players like Konjou in general, and the whole dynamic of the matches would be better for both you and your opponent. As it stands, it just seemed like Konjou might've been playing matches with you out of respect for being an opponent to play against.

I know the game's life is at the end of it's cycle and has been that way for a couple of years now, but it's still not too late to learn some of the basic stuff you missed.

 

I think it has some relevancy actually, your ego can't accept that you can't beat Konjou and blame things on lag.

I have played offline and don't give me that bs about windows to react to things, you don't even know your frames considering you were dumbfounded on why you couldn't elbow Konjou after blocking his standing P's...

You can cling on your hope all you want, can't wait to see you post in the retirement thread again in a few weeks after you suffocate from all the lag.

 

Man I can't stop laughing at this, you don't know shit about this game and you have the audacity to blame lag? If anything it's you who is abusing the lag considering that it's a universal fact your an abare player. Good on Konjou spamming his standing P's, you don't know shit about frames, he's taking advantage of you and your vulnerability and who wouldn't honestly? You probably have always thought you were being abused from lag when in reality you were really in disadvantage frame-wise. Your way over your head if you think you can actually beat anyone who knows how to play this game in a offline gathering. What the fuck are you doing here for years anyways? Stop posting in this thread and go to the VF5 Guide on the top left of VFDC and go to the system section, please. I'm confident that once you attain basic knowledge your true potential will come out.

The thread title should be "I Suck" not "Lag Sucks" that's what I've gathered anyways. Man, this is actually sad...

 

Yea, you know since I'm always playing online, I'm always playing in varying degrees of lag, with opponents of varying degrees of skill. I basically just do whatever lag and their skill let me get away with most of the time, frames be damned. Because I never actually memorized frames, I don't always have to most solid idea of what is a legit strategy and what isn't. Frame advantage on block is one of those areas I'm especially sketchy on, because most people you play don't know how to exploit it very well, and lag tends to obscure what works and what doesn't. That being said, I do know what my safe and unsafe moves are, and many (most?) situations where I get guaranteed punishes. I'm also not stupid enough to keep doing the same thing over and over again if I know it doesn't work. I just don't like sitting down and memorizing numbers, can you blame me?

By the way, I know Konjou wasn't strictly speaking trying to take liberties with frames. I can tell that much pretty easily. The real problem was, he was poking me, and I couldn't even get my block to work half the time, let alone anything beyond that. This is not something that could be solved necessarily by me knowing more about the game. The real question was, in such a situation, should I keep trying to play legit knowing I'd lose, or abuse whatever I can think of knowing that it will degrade the game into something essentially pointless?

 

Huh... wait... what? Were you even reading the thread? I said I did beat him, at least several times. Yes, he also beat me too, and yes there was lag, but that really wasn't... you're just trolling me now aren't you?

 

My first post in this thread acknowledged the fact that you were winning some games against him in your guys matches but it's not surprising when you have to pull out your abare shit to by-pass the lag and get some W's, Konjou isn't unbeatable. To clarify, what I'm trying to say is that, this thread was made by a result of your big hurt ego. Either that or your just delusional. If you honestly didn't think you can beat Konjou then you wouldn't mention him. You do think you are at his level though and are trying to use lag as your crutch in supporting yourself (the irony is that the lag is helping you not Konjou btw). Therefore it has relevance to the topic on-hand but what I'm really interested in seeing your response in is this:

If you have nothing to say then you may as well leave because I think this is what everything your problems boils down to... YOUR LACK OF BASICS NOT LAG!