Kakutou Shinseiki 3 Updates

Good showcase for others to maybe start VF, stop your whining, /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif Shun OWNS your ass!

 

"Is it customary to scream like that after every command throw?"

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

 

woah cool, didn't watch it but nice one, a Shun player winning it with a Pai one 2nd place!

and yes the japs like shouting on certain moves. Like us shouting out "blatant!" in London scene, lol.

 

wow shun won? and a "zangief" at that! wow. this game rocks.

 

so i went to see ks3 and i have to admit, it was quite awesome. lots of great matches. still, i wish there wasnt so much elitism though. whenever kyasao was given the chance to pick which match the audience was going to watch (there were 4 players playing simultaneously but only 1 big screen, so one of the matches was not "broadcasted" to the audience), he invariably picked one of his buddies or rivals or something, which invariably turned out to be a jacky vs lau vs kage vs akira match. we (the audience) missed most of the aoi, brad, vanessa and lei fei matches. boooooooooooo.

 

I tried to capture this stream, but it kept giving me errors. /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I heard some guy on SRK recorded the whole thing though.

The am.sega.jp site should have the matches eventually. Here are some images from the event for the people that didn't see:
http://am.sega.jp/utop/news/vf4ft_kaku3/final.html

 

Yup, here's the SRK thread regarding... watch it for updates

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85895

 

i've got most of it recorded, it's pretty hefty file though
all together with the performance at the end and shit its about 592 megs i have recorded

 

592mb isnt that bad. Any way you'll be able to get it circulated and out to the community? Torrent maybe? (If it hasnt allready been done by someone else that is)

 

Upload or torrent plz.

 

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performance at the end

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Stop. You are going to make my cock hard. /versus/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

 

If FT was that balanced, there wouldnt be zero sarahs, jeffs and gohs in the finals, and 4 chars wouldnt make up 65% of the field.

 

i think you'll need to provide the logic you used to come up with your equation as it doesnt really compute for me.

i'm a goh user. i think he's a little on the weak side compared to the others. if however, mukki akira dedicated his 40,000 games to playing goh instead of akira, i have no doubt that goh would be in the finals. stop blaming the characters.

 

31 out of 48 of the finalists are either Jacky/Lau/Akira/Kage. Thats 65%.

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if however, mukki akira dedicated his 40,000 games to playing goh instead of akira, i have no doubt that goh would be in the finals

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I wouldnt be sure about that. There are a couple of elite players (plays mainstream chars) who have tried to switch to chars like Brad (eg. mask) but they didnt do as well.

Imo, it takes a lot more work to be good with the "weaker" chars. The statistics speak for themselves.

 

Arashi switched to Goh (shitty ass Evo Goh at that) and won SBO1 against Heruru, and Lei is one gay matchup for Goh.

Character loyalty plays more a part than tiers do when you see the character selection among top players. Sarah is powerful as all fuck in Evo and almost no one played her in Japan; not then, and not now. Most of them have been playing a long time, and never switched their mains. You're going to see a lot of Jacky Akira Lau Kage becuase they've always been the coolest (YES I KNOW SUBJECTIVE) characters since VF1. Mask never "switched" to Brad, he just plays him on the side. Ohsu plays Brad too. Itabashi plays Wolf. Homestay plays more than half the cast.

VF is 90% player, 8% character, and 2% luck. I thought Itabashi was going to take 1st well before the tourney happened. Not because he plays Shun, but because he's fucking Itabashi.

No game is balanced; VF certainly isn't. But I don't think I've ever thought that a lesser player would beat a better one becuase of their character.

 

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Imo, it takes a lot more work to be good with the "weaker" chars. The statistics speak for themselves.

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see, this is the statement i don't get though. it takes a lot more "work" for someone to be good with akira than with sarah.

no one thinks vf is perfect in terms of balance. but i think it's pretty clear that people pick characters that they enjoy playing with. if everyone was just picking a character that was based on how much work it took to be top tier, no one would pick akira ever. everyone would use jacky and lau.

the point is: everyone knows there are flaws in vf's balancing - there's no real dispute there. but the fact that a character usually placed in the "bottom" tier can be used to win the national tournament says a lot about how human talent/error are far more important than character balance.

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But I don't think I've ever thought that a lesser player would beat a better one becuase of their character.

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thank you!

 

I just thought I'll point it out to u that the last time I was there (albeit quite a while ago), there were quite a number of Sarahs.
Perhaps the situation has changed for FT..but u are quoting Evo Sarah and I was there for Evo at its peak, no? heh


If anything..it was Goh, Brad n Van that were lacking in numbers, esp in Van's case.

 

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Arashi switched to Goh (shitty ass Evo Goh at that) and won SBO1 against Heruru, and Lei is one gay matchup for Goh.

Character loyalty plays more a part than tiers do when you see the character selection among top players. Sarah is powerful as all fuck in Evo and almost no one played her in Japan; not then, and not now. Most of them have been playing a long time, and never switched their mains. You're going to see a lot of Jacky Akira Lau Kage becuase they've always been the coolest (YES I KNOW SUBJECTIVE) characters since VF1. Mask never "switched" to Brad, he just plays him on the side. Ohsu plays Brad too. Itabashi plays Wolf. Homestay plays more than half the cast.

VF is 90% player, 8% character, and 2% luck. I thought Itabashi was going to take 1st well before the tourney happened. Not because he plays Shun, but because he's fucking Itabashi.

No game is balanced; VF certainly isn't. But I don't think I've ever thought that a lesser player would beat a better one becuase of their character.

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Character loyalty? Most of the players you see in the tourneys havent even played VF3, how can there be any char loyalty?

Also, how do you know that there arent many Sarah players in Japan? All my friends who have been to Japan have told me that most of the chars are well represented in Japanese arcades, and I thought BK just came back from Japan recently and he reported that there are actually no lack of wolf/Jeff/etc players in Japanese arcades? Why didnt any Jeff make it to the finals if there are so many Jeff players? Maybe cos all of them plays a mainstream char like Lau and they only play Wolf/Jeff "on the side"? lol.

 

alucard, i live in japan and there is definitely a lack of jeff players. there are a lot more wolfs than there used to be, but i hardly ever see any jeffs, vans or gohs. i was at nishi shinjuku sports (well it's club sega now) on the sunday night before ks3 and i was the only goh in there and i didnt see one jeff. i was there for a good 3 hours and it was packed.

there are generally a few sarahs, but if i ever beat one of them, they usually pull out their main jacky card and whip me. i hardly ever have the opposite happen to me (where i'll beat a lau player and he'll pull out his pai main and whip me). before you misinterpret my statement, im not saying jacky is better than sarah or that lau is better than pai. i'm just saying that in my experience, players seem to have one of the 4 as their main and use others as subs (especially against nubs like me).

ah, of course it'll depend on the night and the crowd, but you'll just generally see far more of the 4 most popular characters than any other character. sad but true. i still think this says more about popularity than about balance.

 

Ok you guys seem to think that popularity has got nothing to do with char strength but ask yourself - where was Kage in pre-evo VF4 tourneys? What about now? I dont know about you, but I would think that the fact that Kages are much better represented in tourneys now must have something to do with him being greatly improved in Evo/FT. Unless you argue that Kage fanboyism has increased ever since FT was released, you cant use char loyalty as a basis for your argument.

The stronger chars will always be more popular, I believe this holds true for every game.