Kage Combos

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How could it be an oversight when it was done on pourpose

 

looool

 

Hmm Wolf can hardbound Eileen three times with the same move

 

It was possible in some early version of FS, and that video was uploaded in 2010, so maybe it is from that version? I don't know more.

 

That Video is clearly before FS ver. B where multiple bounces with the same move was possibile.

 

oops Didn't know that they changed the bounce mechanics. Didn't read much about the Arcade revisions of FS.

 

It is the visual discriminator between versions as far as I can see. The one that jumps forward has to be initiated further away from the opponent so I assumed that was the reason for the backdash in the original combo. 9K+G essentially has 'far' and 'close' versions. And no, I don't know for sure this is the reason for the doublebound. I didn't actually pull this combo off since I didn't bother testing further.

 

I don't think there are two versions of 9K+G, the move just tracks the opponent's distance to a degree and that's it, it retains the same properties and is the same move nevertheless. Hitting on later active frames sounds very odd too since wouldn't it require 9K+G to be a two hitting move that would cause high bound on either hit? I don't know any other move where depending on how late you hit with the move it's properties change like that to allow some weird ish. A very peculiar case nevertheless.

EDIT: Oh right, I totally forgot some Sega rep confirmed there really are two versions of 9K+G. Never mind that then.

 

it was said in a tweet from @vf_official (thanks to ylyon for having brought to my attention and translated it).

I'll ask Ylyon to post here the original tweet with the english translation

 

what's more conclusive than an official explanation from the vf team?

with that in mind if we think at all the other info we got by ourself (visually the distance it covers and the same 30 frames of execution) everything seem to point to the two different moves thesis

 

I had written this in the Italian forum, I'll post it also here. From the official Japanese VF twitter account:

which means more or less:

 

Alongside the double 9K+G bound I don't know why i never thought of the double 66P+K bound you can get on light weights. (66P+K > P > 66P+K > 6_P/662P > 46K+GK!K)


Btw two new combos (not in thread, not in the combo section, never saw from japanese players) for the problematic Akira, Shun and El Blaze

JU > > > !

from side crumple > > !

 

Ops...
Thanks for the correction Myke

 

Combos against Shun...humm. I'll take it

Do theses combos are known ?

>>
66 dmg, against the MW ( Lau, Lei Fei, Brad, Lion ) excepted Shun Di , close stance only
both stance against Lion & Vanessa

>>
69 dmg, against Vanessa, close stance only

>>>
69 dmg, against Vanessa & Aoi, open stance

CH >>>!
80 dmg against Eileen & Aoi, both stance

 

This is based of stuff from the maru-ders video a while back, like the ring out TFT from back against wall...( if the video skips for you, its TFT> dash> > Dragonkick. )

Anywhoo, my NEW wall combo starter is Kage's ascending , its a full circular high thatleaves you at +11 on hit , so near a wall you get a free 11 frame jab, which causes wall stagger, and then its just your normal wall combo from there.

> (wall)> > > (jab works fine for less dmg)> > DragonPunch> DragonKick> for the ender, but is more dmg, but backturn oki.


A quick note on getting the jumping punch to be effective, since it is a high move.
Mostly conditioning the opponent to evade your jumping descent kick, which is itself a big combo starter if they dont shake fast enough.